^ That's a good question, I'm not sure. The tunnel itself is mostly done according to this article from the PD:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 34ac3.html
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 34ac3.html
Meanwhile, an entire apartment complex on Hafner Ct just north of Olive was flooded out and has been condemned. This may be where the storage tanks had been planned.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the storage tunnels aren't intended to prevent or alleviate flooding, but rather to prevent effluent releases into the watershed. I suppose if done as parallel tunnels to the extent tunnels they might have that effect anyway, at least until they full up, but I was under the impression they're mostly a surge suppressor for the sewage treatment plants. (Owing to the federal action on sewage dumping, which we do a lot.) They should make the River des Peres less stinky. (In fact, they very much already have.)sc4mayor wrote: ↑Jul 29, 2022After a bit more research it looks like MSD scrapped the University City storage tunnel due to engineering concerns and planned on building two large storage tanks in the area around Olive and Hafner. Based on the press I could find U City residents did their level best to kill it and may have been successful...I can't find any real information on the U City tanks after 2017. And it doesn't appear anything was ever built.
There are three more tunnels planned for the upper, middle and lower River de Peres, but they don't break ground until 2027, 2028, and 2032.
https://msdprojectclear.org/projects/tu ... -schedule/
The U City tanks probably would have looked like these that were built in Crestwood for the same purpose:
Maybe I'm missing something. Will they really help with flooding? Mind you, I'm in favor of them anyway. But if they help with the flooding let's do this faster.
I think it’s supposed to do both. The flooding often happens because of CSOs which these improvements are meant to fix.
From the Deer Creek tunnel page:
From the Deer Creek tunnel page:
Extending approximately 3.9 miles from Clayton Road to Interstate 44, the new tunnel will collect and temporarily store peak wastewater overflows along the Deer Creek sewer system. Historically, heavy rains would overcharge the existing system, leading to basement backups and sewer overflows. Slated for completion in late 2022, the new tunnel will provide relief to a number of communities, including Clayton, Richmond Heights, Brentwood, Maplewood, Webster Groves, and Shrewsbury.
Good news but the blue line still has issues.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Jul 30, 2022Red line is back on track:
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/ill ... -top-story
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^I'm genuinely impressed they're taking care of this as quickly as they are. My brother tried to ride today, but couldn't get the ticketing machine to read his card, and since he lives in Springfield and uses phones almost as old quirky as me he does not have said ap. Still . . . it was at least an attempt. He ended up driving downtown to take his kid to the arch and paying a lot more for parking instead. Ah well. Should have tried to invite myself along on this expedition, but the arch just ain't as much fun when they kick you out in ten minutes and bisect the poor thing.
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I rode the red line yesterday from CWE to Forest Park and was impressed both with how many riders there were and how many staff were on the ground to usher folks into shuttles for the Blue Line connection.
It…honestly gave me some pride in the system at an unexpected time. They’re clearly taking this seriously.
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It…honestly gave me some pride in the system at an unexpected time. They’re clearly taking this seriously.
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The hardware stores on Hanley have stuff like garbage bags, trash cans, fans and dehumidifiers palletized at the front.
Drive through neighborhoods in the area and stuff from basements are piled on the curbs. Lots being thrown out this weekend.
Drive through neighborhoods in the area and stuff from basements are piled on the curbs. Lots being thrown out this weekend.
Suburbanites will use this fact to claim that their sprawling lawns are better for climate change than urbanized neighborhoods
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^Just point out what happened in yellowstone, or eastern Kentucky recently. For that matter look at Belleville and St. Peters which both had some serious flooding in the recent storms.
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Our street saw many houses with roof penetration and a few on the east side have serious basement issues. The second storm swept all the dumpsters out of the nearby alleys and flooded the Schnucks on Lindell. That's how fast 3" came down in then CWE. On top of the original 8.5". I believe Schnucks is reopened, though honestly not sure. Been dealing with a lot here. I've been told by water remediation company, insurance adjuster and roofer (who came out today finally and can't do any work til at least Friday due to waitlist) to get my buckets ready over next two days. Crazy. In their estimation the damage is done and I just need to catch the water, smfh.
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In the long term, it seems that property buyout & relocation to expand greenway and creek footprints would be an ideal approach as well as a place to add canopy for a city that is land rich.
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Just point out what happened in yellowstone, or eastern Kentucky recently In St. Louis, rainfall rates overwhelmed drainage systems and caused rivers and creeks to overflow, washing out roadways and forcing swift water rescues to be conducted.
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/02/heat-wave-climate-change-us-infrastructure
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/02/heat-wave-climate-change-us-infrastructure
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Our street had serious basement issues on one side. The storm drains couldn't handle the capacity and the street flooded for at least the second time this year. Possibly the third. There were basement backups on the other side of the street, so maybe there's a collapsed or compromised sewer main somewhere and I just got lucky because my house drains to the main that was flowing.
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Was looking for a map of the areas that flooded. Found this study from corp of engineers which was started because of the last flood event. Study planned to complete in 2023. I think they have some new data points to incorporate. Also clearly need something similar in several parts of the metro.
https://www.mvs.usace.army.mil/missions/programs-project-management/river-des-peres-university-city-general-reevaluation-report/
I do hope this tragedy will spur an improve the alignment of the Centenial Greenway. If you buyout several homes along the river des peres you can almost connect up the greenway from Forest park all the way to Warson Rd. Just following the River in the flood zones. Getting federal moneys for that process would be helpful.
https://www.mvs.usace.army.mil/missions/programs-project-management/river-des-peres-university-city-general-reevaluation-report/
I do hope this tragedy will spur an improve the alignment of the Centenial Greenway. If you buyout several homes along the river des peres you can almost connect up the greenway from Forest park all the way to Warson Rd. Just following the River in the flood zones. Getting federal moneys for that process would be helpful.
Has anyone heard any details about what specific damage was done to the Metro system between Forest Park and Skinker or progress on repairing it? Seems like maybe the damage is to the switching system at Forest Park. They had the red line back up and running really quick but blue is still out.
Not too specific, but Metrolink lists the damaged bits as "one MetroLink train valued at $10 million expected to be a total loss, as well as station elevators, MetroLink communications and fiber optics, the MetroLink signal system, and damage to the light rail track beds."danke0 wrote: ↑Aug 10, 2022Has anyone heard any details about what specific damage was done to the Metro system between Forest Park and Skinker or progress on repairing it? Seems like maybe the damage is to the switching system at Forest Park. They had the red line back up and running really quick but blue is still out.
The red line trains are still speed limited in some areas due to track damage.
https://www.metrostlouis.org/nextstop/d ... 0-million/
I rode the Metrolink Monday and we went super slow between the Med School station all the way up to at least the Loop Station. I don't know how long the speed limiting goes past that because I got off there.
Metro put together a video of the flooding they documented on their cameras.
Along with an update on the situation
Along with an update on the situation
https://www.metrostlouis.org/nextstop/m ... ge-update/It will be several months before we can fully restore MetroLink service on the Red and Blue Lines
It does sound like they’re trying to get a transfer option at FP operational within a few days…hopefully.
An anecdotal observation…I’m a little surprised and how many folks I’ve seen boarding at some Blue Line stations.In the meantime, our main goal is to make it easier as soon as possible for you to transfer between the Blue Line and Red Line by train again at the Forest Park-DeBaliviere Station. We are working on a plan that will provide you that option in the coming days so please stay tuned. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we navigate this unprecedented challenge.