That looks great
I see Juliet balconies...Although there are still no balconies
Great catch. I didn't see them.
Juliets are a nice touch. They are better than nothing.
Seems like someone read our complaints.
I give it a thumbs up grade of "B".
Juliets are a nice touch. They are better than nothing.
Seems like someone read our complaints.
I give it a thumbs up grade of "B".
Looks great. Can't wait for this one to break ground.imran wrote:
I didn't realize this was in the Skinker-DeBaliviere Catlin Tract Parkview Historic District (since it isn't in any of those neighborhoods/areas, but apparently it is.
Can't imagine why this wouldn't fly through the approval process, especially since it raises no preservation concerns. It'll make a fantastic addition to the Loop in general, but especially as such a significant anchor to the east end.
Jinx; you owe me.
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MUCH improved over the previous redesign, IMO. I was not a fan of that yellow brick nonsense.
The chunky uniformity of the main building now looks a little dated to me. Reminds me of that massive building on the north side of Forest Park Parkway near Taylor from the ?70s.
And the Juliet Balconies are gone
And the Juliet Balconies are gone
There are still some.imran wrote:And the Juliet Balconies are gone
Looks like he Juliet balconies are still there.
I like the update. Many of the apartments will have much improved afternoon and evening light and more sweeping views to the south and west. I also like that they've added a floor - the taler the better IMO.
I like the update. Many of the apartments will have much improved afternoon and evening light and more sweeping views to the south and west. I also like that they've added a floor - the taler the better IMO.
To be honest, this building is just a little too bulky/tall for the loop. Would have made more 'Form-based sense' in Grand Center, CWE or Downtown West. Part of the charm of the loop is the smaller scaled buildings huddled together. Same goes for Cherokee, the Grove and Morganford.
I know I'm being ungrateful here but I do worry about the change in scale this will force for the East loop. I am probably overthinking this.
I know I'm being ungrateful here but I do worry about the change in scale this will force for the East loop. I am probably overthinking this.
^All valid concerns. This building is on a different scale from everything around it. But I think the significant set back from Delmar for most of the structure and the fact that it's on the north side of the street and therefore won't block any light for pedestrians will keep it from feeling oppressive or too bulky from the Delmar sidewalk perspective.
I have absolutely no problem with the height. Urban neighborhoods should be a mix, and the added density will do wonders for the East Loop (and hopefully for MetroLink and Loop Trolley ridership).
^ I agree, I was recently in DC and they have an area like the Loop called U Street, only its about twice as vibrant. You can tell that at one point it was a similar scaled district to the Loop, but now there is infill about this height popping up everywhere. They also use similar setbacks, even using the older storefronts as street level masking. I hope this is just the beginning because all this is gonna do is make the Loop even more vibrant 24/7/365. I also imagine they will sell fast and when the trolley opens, the Loop will be a mad house and probably the most active area in STL.
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The loop also has a bit of a precedent for taller buildings at Leland and Delmar (7 stories) and Westgate and Enright (14 stories). Not to mention further east on Delmar where taller buildings sit alongside 2-4 story apartment and mixed use buildings.
Glad this lady isn't queen. RVs, really? From Ald Lyda Krewson's FB
Deborah Wilder wrote:Parking is always an issue. The rules are based upon an outdated view of how many cars should be assumed to be associated with a living unit. The current standard woefully underestimates the number of vehicles that are typically associated with each bedroom in the living unit. The reality is that the first bedroom in a unit should require two parking spaces assigned to it. Every other bedroom should have at least one parking space assigned. If there are fewer vehicles actually associated with the living unit, then those tenants should be able to get a rebate on their rent, thereby allowing the landlords the opportunity to rent out those spaces to the tenants of living units who have need for their "extra" vehicles, be they motorcycles, RVs, etc.
Hopefully they can convince a Walgreens/CVS to go in the ground floor retail space.
e.g. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco ... fancy.html
e.g. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco ... fancy.html
Unfortunately car storage takes up most of the ground floor so there's only 4,500 sf. Would a Walgreens type place settle for that? Might have to wait for the next building.
Holy.... Did Lyda actually say that? If so, great way to increase the cost of residential development, encourage nimbys, and discourage more walkable / transit oriented lifestyles in her ward. Shockingly backward for a relatively progressive and well transit served ward.
No, a citizen named Deborah did on her FB share of the the nextSTL article about the project.
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^ I think that was just some whacko posting on the alderpeeps fb page.
probably too small; it looks like 8-9K sq. ft. is about the smallest I see for their urban stores. A for the next building, I wouldn't be surprised if something before too long gets going just down the street with the WashU property by the Metrolink where the market idea was once proposed. Of course, leasing in an existing building is always an option.quincunx wrote:Unfortunately car storage takes up most of the ground floor so there's only 4,500 sf. Would a Walgreens type place settle for that? Might have to wait for the next building.
^ & ^^Thanks for the clarification. Whacko indeed.
RW, I was also thinking how this brings the neighboring garage property into play more. I'm also hoping Wash. U. has an announcement soon on the estimated 186 bed Loop Lofts Phase 2 to keep the Loop announcements rolling.
RW, I was also thinking how this brings the neighboring garage property into play more. I'm also hoping Wash. U. has an announcement soon on the estimated 186 bed Loop Lofts Phase 2 to keep the Loop announcements rolling.