Come downtown, EJ. Come downtown.
You know, in the past I would have said there is no chance, and I still think the chances are quite small, but if this goes on long enough for the first time in a long time the City has the type of prime development opertunity (the ballpark village) that might be enough to get the HQ downtown. I mean heck, 3 towers are proposed, more than enough space for EJ to take 1 or 2 of them and make it their "campus." The City should be working with the Cardinals and Cordish to make this happen, even if it means more subsidies. Remember the crazy package the City threw out to Bryan Cave a few years ago to get them to build a new office building. Something similar, made at a public press conference, is nessiary.
Besides the worst thing that happens is that the three proposed towers are used for office space and the Cards or other developers have to look at surounding properties (the east and west garages and the parking lots due east and west of the stadium) to build residental.
Besides the worst thing that happens is that the three proposed towers are used for office space and the Cards or other developers have to look at surounding properties (the east and west garages and the parking lots due east and west of the stadium) to build residental.
With all due respect, a Jones HQ anywhere but where it is right now would be a massive failure and just one more indication of regional dysfunction. DT competing with Des Peres? Creve Coeur vs Des Peres? It's all the same place. The only conceivable reason for an intraregional move would be to stave off a move out of town -- but the inefficiencies of such a situation are incredible.
Des Peres also needs to develop an institutional memory about that building, which has an incredibly checkered past (see also: savings and loan scandals of the early '90s).
Des Peres also needs to develop an institutional memory about that building, which has an incredibly checkered past (see also: savings and loan scandals of the early '90s).
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LOLOL!!! Almost exactly like St. John's Mercy-Medical in Creve Coeur a couple of miles away.10-intuition wrote:lol what a joke! it looks like a friggin hospital
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^ THAT's the emoticon I've needed for some time!
I can't say that I would expect much for these buildings but it's always disappointing to see something like this.
I can't say that I would expect much for these buildings but it's always disappointing to see something like this.
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The proposed design is a joke! I really expected something better than that.
I hoped for something better - but honestly I wouldn't expect anything better out of any company who has a "campus" in Maryland Heights. I guess we should just be glad they are still proposing to build here as opposed to Tempe (or else where).
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Framer wrote:So when are we going to see what they're planning in Des Peres?
I just hope the Des Peres campus won't look like hospital buildings too. From one end of 270 to another, hospitals galore!:lol:
Considering Edward Jones is what it is, you'd think with that money and such they'd design a campus/building more appealing than those.
The Post reported today that Des Peres turned down Jones' request to add several floors to their main building.
Planning panel rejects brokerage expansion
By Margaret Matray
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
05/10/2007
DES PERES — The Des Peres Planning and Zoning Commission Wednesday night voted 9-1 against an Edward Jones plan that would double the size of the brokerage firm's headquarters as part of a $260 million expansion.
The Board of Aldermen will conduct a public hearing May 29 before making a final decision to approve, deny or ask for modifications to the petition. Mayor Rick Lahr said the board could make a final vote at its June 11 meeting.
Commissioners said they were concerned about the size of the project and traffic at the company's Des Peres campus, on Manchester Road near the West County shopping mall.
Wednesday's decision followed a five-year debate between the city and the company over expansion plans. The two remain involved in a lawsuit filed by Edward Jones March 14, two days after the city announced a four-month moratorium on development proposals along Manchester Road.
The city lifted the moratorium April 23 and moved for dismissal of the suit. But John Boul, an Edward Jones spokesman, said Wednesday that the company did not have plans to withdraw the suit at this time.
"We are continuing to pursue negotiations with the city and moving forward with the court case," Boul said.
The expansion would add six stories and almost 300,000 square feet to the existing 10-story, 337,185-square-foot headquarters, according to a revised plan filed with Des Peres Nov. 15. The plan also calls for a six-level parking garage.
mmatray@post-dispatch.com | 636-500-4110
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By Margaret Matray
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
05/10/2007
DES PERES — The Des Peres Planning and Zoning Commission Wednesday night voted 9-1 against an Edward Jones plan that would double the size of the brokerage firm's headquarters as part of a $260 million expansion.
The Board of Aldermen will conduct a public hearing May 29 before making a final decision to approve, deny or ask for modifications to the petition. Mayor Rick Lahr said the board could make a final vote at its June 11 meeting.
Commissioners said they were concerned about the size of the project and traffic at the company's Des Peres campus, on Manchester Road near the West County shopping mall.
Wednesday's decision followed a five-year debate between the city and the company over expansion plans. The two remain involved in a lawsuit filed by Edward Jones March 14, two days after the city announced a four-month moratorium on development proposals along Manchester Road.
The city lifted the moratorium April 23 and moved for dismissal of the suit. But John Boul, an Edward Jones spokesman, said Wednesday that the company did not have plans to withdraw the suit at this time.
"We are continuing to pursue negotiations with the city and moving forward with the court case," Boul said.
The expansion would add six stories and almost 300,000 square feet to the existing 10-story, 337,185-square-foot headquarters, according to a revised plan filed with Des Peres Nov. 15. The plan also calls for a six-level parking garage.
mmatray@post-dispatch.com | 636-500-4110
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Zoning change allows Edward Jones plan
05/04/2007
Maryland Heights — A zoning change establishing a planned manufacturing district will allow Edward Jones to build a $200 million complex after the council included language ensuring it can respond to any potential traffic safety issues of a proposed roundabout in the area. The measure, passed at Thursday's council meeting, enacted a specific district for the complex that includes special language allowing the council to review and restructure any street changes that could produce safety or logistical concerns for area businesses and residents.
Edward Jones' plan to break ground next month to build a north campus that will provide 1,000 jobs faced a hurdle when council members voiced concern over whether one of two proposed roundabouts could handle the influx of new traffic in the area. The ordinance language addressed those concerns.
Application for the building permits will take place in the next several weeks.
Source
05/04/2007
Maryland Heights — A zoning change establishing a planned manufacturing district will allow Edward Jones to build a $200 million complex after the council included language ensuring it can respond to any potential traffic safety issues of a proposed roundabout in the area. The measure, passed at Thursday's council meeting, enacted a specific district for the complex that includes special language allowing the council to review and restructure any street changes that could produce safety or logistical concerns for area businesses and residents.
Edward Jones' plan to break ground next month to build a north campus that will provide 1,000 jobs faced a hurdle when council members voiced concern over whether one of two proposed roundabouts could handle the influx of new traffic in the area. The ordinance language addressed those concerns.
Application for the building permits will take place in the next several weeks.
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#-o
I am thoroughly confused.
I am thoroughly confused.
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Des Peres says NO to EJ HQ expansion.
Maryland Heights says YES to a different EJ expansion.
Move downtown EJ, they will be happy to have you and your "traffic".
Maryland Heights says YES to a different EJ expansion.
Move downtown EJ, they will be happy to have you and your "traffic".
Um, er, there's a giant parcel immediately adjacent to the EDWARD JONES Dome that has no developer and no current prospects other than pipe dreams.
Connect the dots, St. Louis.
Connect the dots, St. Louis.
bonwich wrote:Um, er, there's a giant parcel immediately adjacent to the EDWARD JONES Dome that has no developer and no current prospects other than pipe dreams.
Connect the dots, St. Louis.
man, that is a good suggestion!
And you know for certain based on what? What is your source?bonwich wrote:Um, er, there's a giant parcel immediately adjacent to the EDWARD JONES Dome that has no developer and no current prospects other than pipe dreams.
But yeah, the Bottle District would certainly make a good location for any corporation. The developers and the city should be seeking Jones as a corporate anchor.
Arch City wrote:And you know for certain based on what? What is your source?bonwich wrote:Um, er, there's a giant parcel immediately adjacent to the EDWARD JONES Dome that has no developer and no current prospects other than pipe dreams.
But yeah, the Bottle District would certainly make a good location for any corporation. The developers and the city should be seeking Jones as a corporate anchor.
This guy named Slay said so on KMOX earlier this week. I dunno, maybe he doesn't have the same inside connections that you do.
How recent was Slay updated? Based on information here, it doesn't appear you guys know.bonwich wrote:This guy named Slay said so on KMOX earlier this week. I dunno, maybe he doesn't have the same inside connections that you do.
For the record, I just spoke to the guys again last week - I didn't post on it because I get tired of the St. Louis naysayers who do no research or person-to-person contacts of their own.
They are still planning to get underway this summer, which has always been the plan. Whether they do or not, I can only go on what they tell me.
If the mayor of St. Louis is speaking publicly on development projects and "hasn't been updated," I submit that that says a whole lot more about the way things are done in this town than whether or not he was correct in his assessment of the Bottle District.
However, it is just a matter when he was last updated - not that he hasn't been. He was likely referencing his last update - whenever that was.bonwich wrote:If the mayor of St. Louis is speaking publicly on development projects and "hasn't been updated," I submit that that says a whole lot more about the way things are done in this town than whether or not he was correct in his assessment of the Bottle District.
I personally don't see it as a good or bad thing at this point. He could have spoken to one of the guys at the BD one day after I did, and received "updated" information. I am not mayor, so his information might be more fresh. I don't know, but Wednesday, I was told that it is still a go, the renderings are coming, and sometime this summer is when they plan to move forward.
We'll see.
I've talked to numerous developers over the years and have not had any reason - yet - to doubt one. If the McGuire folk are masking or buying time - so be it - no sweat off my back. Usually, developers are real and upfront if approached respectfully and one expresses a sincere interest in their projects.