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Post2:46 PM - Feb 02#51

We voted to increase fines in Nov 2024, IIRC.

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Post3:21 PM - Feb 02#52

Whatever they are, they're apparently not enough. Like with the italianate row at S Broadway & Nagel, nothing we are doing is enough disincentive to leaving one's vacant building open to squatters and inevitable fires.

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Post4:08 PM - Feb 02#53

^ We should absolutely increase fines on vacant properties, and attach unpaid ones as liens that get paid out upon sale.  Hopefully the Roosevelt can still be fixed up.
Already how it works. With many, mainly residential properties, where this happens, when the value of the unpaid fines outstrips the value of the property, so that the floor can't be met by reasonable qualified buyers at the quarterly Sheriff's auction, the property defaults to the owner of last resort (LRA), where those fines/fees are then wiped and LRA markets the property for sale.

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Post4:12 PM - Feb 02#54

walker wrote:
^ We should absolutely increase fines on vacant properties, and attach unpaid ones as liens that get paid out upon sale.  Hopefully the Roosevelt can still be fixed up.
Already how it works. With many, mainly residential properties, where this happens, when the value of the unpaid fines outstrips the value of the property, so that the floor can't be met by reasonable qualified buyers at the quarterly Sheriff's auction, the property defaults to the owner of last resort (LRA), where those fines/fees are then wiped and LRA markets the property for sale.
It should be flat out illegal to allow your property to deteriorate vacant and the punishment should be forfeiture of the right to that property to the city with no compensation.

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Post4:52 PM - Feb 02#55

Agreed ^ 

Even putting an insanely generous grace period (like five years) would make a huge difference. There is a butthole property owner in McKinley Heights that is single-handedly keeping the neighborhood held back with his vacant buildings. People reach out to him to buy but he doesn't even respond. I DREAM of the day that he loses control of those buildings at the corner of Geyer and Mississippi. Hopefully it happens before they just collapse. 

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Post5:25 PM - Feb 02#56

As in the case for many properties, we have to wait for the owner to die, sadly.

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Post10:36 PM - Feb 02#57

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
4:52 PM - Feb 02
Agreed ^ 

Even putting an insanely generous grace period (like five years) would make a huge difference. There is a butthole property owner in McKinley Heights that is single-handedly keeping the neighborhood held back with his vacant buildings. People reach out to him to buy but he doesn't even respond. I DREAM of the day that he loses control of those buildings at the corner of Geyer and Mississippi. Hopefully it happens before they just collapse. 
Hmm .. I think I know who you are referring to.  They also own some business in the city that many can not understand how they are still open.

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Post2:05 PM - Feb 03#58

^^Those 2 bldgs on the corner are for sale. Couldn't believe it when I saw them hit the market. Like...why not 15 yrs ago?

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Post2:33 PM - Feb 03#59

2000 Geyer and 2002-2004 Geyer

One wouldn't want to buy them for the price they're asking, particularly after seeing them. The second story floor joists at the rear have collapsed into the first floor in both cases.

Did you know that Four Muddy Paws used to be in 2000 Geyer?

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Post3:04 PM - Feb 03#60

Wow I didn't realize they were up for sale! That's progress at least. 200k and 250k is a tough ask but maybe the price will go down. The location is actually pretty prime IMO, tons of foot traffic through there with people from the neighborhood crossing the bridge at Mississippi into Lafayette Park.

Union Loafers is supposedly going into the former Gather Cafe space to the south so that should increase traffic from the north as well. I really hope that whoever takes this on chooses to pursue retail (at least for the corner space)

My DREAM is a little neighborhood bar there.

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Post5:46 PM - Feb 03#61

walker wrote:
2:33 PM - Feb 03
2000 Geyer and 2002-2004 Geyer

One wouldn't want to buy them for the price they're asking, particularly after seeing them. The second story floor joists at the rear have collapsed into the first floor in both cases.

Did you know that Four Muddy Paws used to be in 2000 Geyer?
Endowment Effect delusion on display. Same thing happened to the iconic building in Fountain Park which is now rubble.

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Post2:59 AM - Feb 04#62

walker wrote:
2:33 PM - Feb 03
2000 Geyer and 2002-2004 Geyer

One wouldn't want to buy them for the price they're asking, particularly after seeing them. The second story floor joists at the rear have collapsed into the first floor in both cases.

Did you know that Four Muddy Paws used to be in 2000 Geyer?
Historic Tax Credits are available and do help a project like this.  What is the unit mix for each building ?  

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Post3:46 AM - Feb 04#63

Currently each is set up for a single commercial space. 2-4 could be 2 commercial bays, but it’d be weird/tough to manage the entrance modifications.

Upstairs, 2 units current for 2-4 and one for 00.


Could go smaller on all of them and add more count, but don’t know why one would.

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