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Downtown West - Renewed Momentum?

Downtown West - Renewed Momentum?

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PostJul 26, 2015#1

With a couple of recent retail openings and a slew of projects underway or in the pipeline it looks like Downtown West finally be getting some of its mojo back. Some of the projects include...

Projects Underway:
1902 Pine residential conversion (87 units)
CityView renovations of Plaza Square
2209 Olive commercial renovation
1424 Washington commercial renovation

Projects Planned:
2035 Lucas/2030 Delmar residential conversion (86 units)
1701 Locust (57 units + first-floor commercial)
2000 Washington (first floor commercial + 5 units)
2351 Market office renovation (Green Street)

So that is 87 units under construction + the CItyView renovations and 148 units planned on the residential side and some action on the commercial/office side as well. Of course other attractive opportunities like the Muni Courts, International Shoe, 1706 Washington and Jefferson Arms also are being marketed. Hopefully this bit of flurry with smaller-scaled projects will spread and eventually include one of the bigger buildings before long.

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PostJul 26, 2015#2

^ I think its just a matter of time. Downtown will continue to redevelop. In 2025, 2015 will seem like light years away. I still dont think Downtown has reached its critical mass, I think these loft conversions are still setting the groundwork for much more robust growth in the future. I'm a firm believer that once all of the historic buildings have been redevelop, downtown will see an infill boom. If we can manage getting the St. Louis or N-S Metrolink, I think it will take downtown to the next level.

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PostJul 26, 2015#3

^ Downtown hasn't hit anywhere near its critical mass.... I agree that we're unlikely to see a lot of infill until we make more progress on historic rehabs simply because it is cheaper to do the latter. The key is whether developers will be able to demand enough in rents to cover the higher costs of new construction... so far we've seen some doubts about that but I think that can and probably will change within the next few years.

Also, as far as Downtown West is concerned, I believe Saint Louis Streetcar or BRT would bring more immediate benefit. Both N/S Metrolink and an Olive rapid transit are needed for downtown, imo.

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PostJul 26, 2015#4

roger wyoming II wrote:^ Downtown hasn't hit anywhere near its critical mass.... I agree that were unlikely to see a lot of infill until we make more progress on historic rehabs simply because it is cheaper to do the latter. The key is whether developers will be able to demand enough in rents to cover the higher costs of new construction... so far we've seen some doubts about that but I think that can and probably will change within the next few years.

Also, as far as Downtown West is concerned, I believe Saint Louis Streetcar or BRT would bring more immediate benefit. Both N/S Metrolink and an Olive rapid transit are needed for downtown, imo.
Yes, I think an infrastructure package would also help big time. I think the Washington Avenue streetscapes improvements shows the type of development new sidewalks, lamps, signage and street trees can bring. One of my biggest complaints about St. Louis is the lack of infrastructure investment, even compared to similar cities. If we spend $400 million on a stadium, do you know how many great streets like projects could be built in St. Louis City for that kind of money?

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PostJul 27, 2015#5

I'm kind of surprised the former Imo's at 20th and Olive is still vacant. It's a pretty large building with adjacent parking.

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PostAug 14, 2015#6

Nice overview of the various projects in Downtown West:
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 5210d.html

PostAug 15, 2015#7

With news of the large Imo's Pizza delivery, Downtown West is Beyond Compare! I think the value of the Moon Carriage Lofts also got a big bump today.

PostAug 31, 2015#8

presby tweeted the 2000 Washington project just got its permit issued.... great to see it appears to be moving ahead full pace.

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PostDec 09, 2015#9

Doing some digging around online and came across this:



Just a rendering from a few years ago? KAI created it but unsure if it's extremely outdated or not.

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PostDec 09, 2015#10

I'm not sure I can take this seriously when they label I-64 as I-40.

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PostDec 09, 2015#11

^ true...at least call it MO 40 or Route 40

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PostDec 09, 2015#12

^^^ The metadata says the image is dated 3/1/2010.

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PostFeb 17, 2016#13

The International Shoe building to become a boutique hotel.

http://m.stltoday.com/business/local/de ... touch=true

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PostFeb 17, 2016#14

How are hotel occupancy rates doing?

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PostFeb 17, 2016#15

Incredibly handsome building... nice to see western Wash Ave start to re-assert itself.

PostFeb 17, 2016#16

Looking at the list of projects in the initial post. most of those underway are now completed but it looks like the Dragon Trading and the Lucas/Delmar buildings are having trouble getting off the ground.

But we also have the CPI Building residential conversion, the Fashion Incubator and possibly that Red Brick project where the fire was recently as planned projects. Nice.

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PostFeb 17, 2016#17

downtown2007 wrote:The International Shoe building to become a boutique hotel.

http://m.stltoday.com/business/local/de ... touch=true
This probably deserves it's own thread.

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PostFeb 17, 2016#18

I'm just going to throw this out there and you guys can disagree with me. :D

Downtown West's future hinges on three unrealized thoughts about the Schlafly Tap Room.

1) I used to wonder what it would take for the tap room to feel like part of the Washington Avenue loft scene, and the easy answer always seemed to be the streetscape improvements. They suddenly die on 18th street as if one should turn sharply and head to Union Station because that's the edge of downtown. The feeling of emptiness at the end of Washington Avenue has to be addressed in the next streetscape update, at least as far as 20th. Why not go crazy though and extend to Jefferson and add an overhead gateway thing with lights?

2) Briefly when I thought the highway intersection might get redone and the Gateway Mall given a signature end of some kind, I thought the tap room might be part of a Union Station development area under NorthSide Regeneration. That obviously never happened, but it looks like the city is still holding onto that plan since it showed up in the NGA plan.

3) In the past decade since seeing Midtown wake up a bit, I've felt as if the tap room is the natural end of the Midtown Alley. The buildings between are beautiful and ready for rehab. The Wells-Fargo lunch hour is serviced by food trucks. If those trucks could justify storefronts on Locust and convince all those financial types to walk a few blocks for lunch, it would move the needle.


I could be wrong, but I think if any one of those three things could happen, then the other two would be far more likely. If I had to bet, I'd say Washington Avenue's residential population will probably tip the scale first. Until then, I'm just going to get an eerie feeling of expectation every time I visit the tap room and wonder why they can't get the same level of investment as the bottleworks. Seriously, Schlafly could buy out that whole block.

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PostSep 02, 2016#19

Great stuff happening on the 1500 block of Washington.... The Sliced Pint should open up later this month in the old Ozzie's spot (I believe the Gills are behind this venture, btw) and the Fashion Incubator should open up in January. Hopefully work on the boutique hotel will begin by the end of the year as well.

Also, Blackline Design + Construction intends to move its HQ over to Locust on the block west of the Tap Room.

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PostSep 08, 2016#20

That would be a nice section of Washington to see some new tenants...good additions.

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PostSep 13, 2016#21

per Biz Journal, the Blackline project with be company headquarters on first floor and 6 apartments on the second... nice to see.



Hopefully it'll help spur additional redevelopment on the block, like this beauty next door


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PostSep 13, 2016#22

is the nextdoor building for sale?

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PostSep 13, 2016#23

^ the one in the bottom pic? I believe the Friedman Group owns that and it is already on the National Register; I believe they've been looking at a residential rehab for awhile.... hopefully the Blackline project helps it out. Interesting history on that building, btw... People's Hospital.

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PostSep 14, 2016#24

People's Hospital is one of my favorite downtown buildings. It's a shame it's sat vacant while so much development has occurred around it.

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PostSep 14, 2016#25

^ it's a weird block with great potential. those buildings on the south side of the block also need restoration

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