Demolition Permit: St. Bridget Erin Church, 1100 N.Jefferson

STLEnginerd · PostFeb 29, 2016#512016-02-29T20:45+00:00

Northside Neighbor wrote:
Doesn't the alderman have to approve the requests?
No. It's a simple process with the Building Division, presuming no preservation review.

WELLL that does change my opinion quite a bit. Alderman gets some criticism for not pursuing preservation protection earlier, BUT I do totally understand that she has other priorities. This should not have happened but it makes me less apt to point to a particular person to bare the responsibility for the failure. This should be used as a catalyst to build more support for expanded preservation review. Hopefully.

One thing that might help is a way to put certain historically/culturally/architecturally relevant properties under preservation revue without putting an entire ward under review. I realize being on the national register forces revue but an alderman and or the citizenry by petition unless overruled by the alderman should be able to request ANY property be added to that list.

Finding a solution that works but does not overly burden developers with interest in the northside is a critical balancing act.

erina · PostFeb 29, 2016#522016-02-29T21:56+00:00

Looking at De La Salle's MAP scores, is this building even going to get built before this becomes another failed, shuttered, charter school?

urban_dilettante · PostFeb 29, 2016#532016-02-29T22:09+00:00

Northside Neighbor wrote:I have no idea the point you're trying to make.

of course you don't. you chastise us for not putting our money where our mouths are, yet you're totally cool with them using our money to level sh*t with no oversight.

Northside Neighbor wrote:Apparently now Tamika Hubbard is vowing to do historic preservation review. Isn't it always like that?

huh, so i guess all that "righteous indignation" wasn't so useless after all.

and give me a break. i know Ms. Hubbard has various priorities as alderman but unless she's been under a rock for the last 5 years she's not oblivious to preservation concerns. she just didn't care enough to do anything until she started getting bad press.

quincunx · PostMar 05, 2016#542016-03-05T15:31+00:00

Northside Neighbor · PostMar 06, 2016#552016-03-06T12:47+00:00

A very balanced story on the St. Bridget's demolition:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 9e0e6.html

Bill Hannegan's comments are interesting. He claims he could have single-handedly raised the money to save the church. Thinking about it though, what does that mean? This situation involved more than the use of money.

De La Salle school is the owner and "redeveloper" of the site. Does Hannegan believe he would have single-handedly changed the charter school's vision and plans for the site? Isn't that the very definition of "hubris" (defying god - ironic fit here in that DLS started out as a Catholic church-affiliated organization)?

Kennedy makes the point that there's more to preservation than buildings and that there's more to St. Louis than European culture.

leeharveyawesome · PostMar 06, 2016#562016-03-06T13:00+00:00

Glad to see this symbol of oppression come down.

Northside Neighbor · PostMar 06, 2016#572016-03-06T14:11+00:00

Glad to see this symbol of oppression come down.

You're referring to that behemoth public housing development, Pruitt-Igoe, the feds built next to St. Bridget's, I presume?

quincunx · PostMar 06, 2016#582016-03-06T15:46+00:00

In the case of the church it wasn't about the building needing tons of money to keep it from falling down, correct?

“Often times African-Americans can appreciate the architecture of the city, but you have to bring into the discussion all the architecture represents,” Kennedy said, while not specifically speaking about St. Bridget’s. “Many of these buildings we were not allowed into. We never got to reap the benefits of them.”

I'd rather victory over exclusion be access to all rather than demolition.

Also preservation in St. Louis often means protecting high or potentially high-productivity land uses from low ones that won't pay the bills.

Also note that Terry Kennedy lives in a suburban home in the CWE.

urban_dilettante · PostMar 06, 2016#592016-03-06T21:40+00:00

Northside Neighbor wrote:Bill Hannegan's comments are interesting. He claims he could have single-handedly raised the money to save the church. Thinking about it though, what does that mean? This situation involved more than the use of money.

De La Salle school is the owner and "redeveloper" of the site. Does Hannegan believe he would have single-handedly changed the charter school's vision and plans for the site? Isn't that the very definition of "hubris" (defying god - ironic fit here in that DLS started out as a Catholic church-affiliated organization)?

i think it's more likely that he doesn't realize De La Salle has owed the building for years and had no interest in not bulldozing it.

PostMar 06, 2016#602016-03-06T21:42+00:00

leeharveyawesome wrote:Glad to see this symbol of oppression come down.

dweebe · PostMar 06, 2016#612016-03-06T22:12+00:00

I'm disappointed in the gloating and celebration of St. Bridget being torn down.

Northside Neighbor · PostMar 07, 2016#622016-03-07T12:47+00:00

leeharveyawesome wrote:
Glad to see this symbol of oppression come down.

Urban Dilettante:

Fairly certain Lee Harvey's comment was tongue in cheek aimed at Alderman Kennedy's quotes from the PD article.

What's a "dilettante"?

urban_dilettante · PostMar 07, 2016#632016-03-07T20:16+00:00

Northside Neighbor wrote:Fairly certain Lee Harvey's comment was tongue in cheek aimed at Alderman Kennedy's quotes from the PD article.

What's a "dilettante"?

if that's the case then my apologies for the eye roll. i have, however, recently had an exchange on this topic with someone who unsarcastically expressed the same sentiment.

a dilettante is someone with an amateur interest in something, such as urbanism.

quincunx · PostMar 23, 2018#642018-03-23T01:19+00:00

PostJan 14, 2023#652023-01-14T02:52+00:00

The school that demolished the church is closed. Infuriating.

StlToday - La Salle Charter School in north St. Louis to close for academic failures

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/edu ... 709ea.html

Demolition Permit: St. Bridget Erin Church, 1100 N.Jefferson

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