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I appreciate the difference here, but imagine having to tell a muni what hours you'd like to use their roads and having to ask permission to change them.

When NIMBY's complain that rush hour congestion is due to the Trolley can the city ban it from running during rush hour?

To be totally fair, isn't this supposed to be a tourist trolley? How much touristing is done before 11am? After 6pm might be a bigger question but I'm guessing that the aim here is to keep the trolley running during daylight hours more than anything.

Really stinks that this has to be the first trolley/streetcar in the region because it will set alot of precedent but let's keep its purpose in mind.

RuskiSTL wrote:To be totally fair, isn't this supposed to be a tourist trolley? How much touristing is done before 11am? After 6pm might be a bigger question but I'm guessing that the aim here is to keep the trolley running during daylight hours more than anything.

Really stinks that this has to be the first trolley/streetcar in the region because it will set alot of precedent but let's keep its purpose in mind.

Agree and some good points. Which also gets to another point, I wonder what Forest Park Forever/Zoo thinks the futre of the Loop trolley should be if U City is going to fight every step and Clayton won't even entertain a vision of extending west. In other words, once some tracks are layed is it time for Joe Edwards to look East and South for his vision?

As far as setting a precedent forward. I think the central corridor streetcar will truly put the region forward and just don't see neighborhoods trying to put up roadblocks or having the reaction you see with U City. Instead, I see parts of CWE, Midtwon, and Downtown fighting for a piece of it. Not pushing it away in favor of a couple parking spots. How the central corridor streetcar can be layed out on each end and what changes can be made to existing bus service to support future transit on a north south basis is the precedent of concern in my opinion.

dredger wrote:As far as setting a precedent forward. I think the central corridor streetcar will truly put the region forward and just don't see neighborhoods trying to put up roadblocks or having the reaction you see with U City. Instead, I see parts of CWE, Midtwon, and Downtown fighting for a piece of it. Not pushing it away in favor of a couple parking spots. How the central corridor streetcar can be layed out on each end and what changes can be made to existing bus service to support future transit on a north south basis is the precedent of concern in my opinion.

The same CWE whose residents complained about too much traffic and successfully lobbied to have Olive reduced to one-way?

^Still kills me like it just happened.

If those are the hours (11am -6pm) then I hope they don't build it. "Hey take the trolley to dinner but find your own damn ride home."

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The latest word is that they still have a few more hurdles to cross and hope to start construction this summer and operate next summer.

My guess is that the permit says the trolley may operate 9 am to 1:30 am, not that it must.

KMOX - Loop Trolley Gets Green Light From University City

Councilman Steven Kraft said he thought he would see a bigger turnout at the meeting and, despite some concerns he had with the plan originally, he voted yes. He said the main reason he voted in favor was because no city dollars were going to the project, and if it fails, the city will not be forced have to pay to have the trolley removed.

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Nice to see councilman Steven Kraft be so enthused about the project.

“As a person, I don’t know if this is financially viable, but as a councilman, my concerns have been addressed,” he said.

What concerns were those? The 9 parking spaces?

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. I think I've read the phrase "If the trolley fails" too many times.

Here's another look at what the Loop did and will look like with a streetcar running through it.

Is it possible that that is the same Carl's Deli that is now at 6401 Clayton Road?

The angles don't quite match up, but here's the same stretch today:

^ i wish we still had some of those 1960's era cars with the rounded corners... i like them more than the older models (replicas?) they're planning to use.

Think about that. Those streetcars lasted 30 years and maybe could have lasted longer. A typical bus would last 12-15 years. I'd say that's another check mark in the plus column for streetcars.

^Cool.

San Francisco runs a bunch of PCC cars on its Market Street line. All of which were manufactured in St. Louis, and many that actually roamed its Streets.

Some of the refurbished cars have been painted in the livery of St. Louis' own Illinois Terminal Railroad.

stlhistory wrote:The rounded ones (shown above) are PCC design and they're actually mostly from the 1930s and 1940s but were used until the 1960s.

thanks for the info! was not aware they were that old.

wabash wrote:^Cool.

San Francisco runs a bunch of PCC cars on its Market Street line. All of which were manufactured in St. Louis, and many that actually roamed its Streets.

yep, saw some of them last time i was in SF. just beautiful. STL needs to re-procure a few.

It would be nice if they mixed and matched both the livery (St. Louis & Illinois Terminal) and the manufacture (Peter Witt & PCC). It'd be that much more interesting seeing them go by, and would tie into the History Museum a little more.

wabash wrote:It would be nice if they mixed and matched both the livery (St. Louis & Illinois Terminal) and the manufacture (Peter Witt & PCC). It'd be that much more interesting seeing them go by, and would tie into the History Museum a little more.

Picnics on the Admiral sounds like it would have been a grand time

"sigh"