Delmar Loop Trolley

dredger · PostFeb 19, 2013#5262013-02-19T16:33+00:00

wabash wrote:This whole project has really brought out U. City's true colors:
-Don't take it too far west.
-Don't allow a round-about.
-Don't let it congest Delmar.
-Don't let it take away ANY parking.

Not the forward thinking bastion of County progressivism it is often held out to be.
(To be fair, some of the mansion dwellers on Lindell are no better).

It is one in same - Don't take it too far west - but here is a golden opportunity for Clayton and U city to talk about the futre. I think Extending the Loop Trolley to Clayton CBD as expressed in this thread is a great idea. Unfortunately, the inner suburbs leadership unwillingness to collaborate on zoning and development is really doing some harm to their future.

quincunx · PostFeb 19, 2013#5272013-02-19T16:35+00:00

KMOX - St. Louis Laying Tracks for Cutting-Edge Technology Infrastructure

UNIVERSITY CITY (KMOX) - The planned Loop Trolley isn’t just a throwback to St. Louis’ streetcar roots. It’s also a reach into the future, positioning St. Louis with what backers call a “gigabit Main Street.”

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/02/19/ ... structure/

gone corporate · PostFeb 19, 2013#5282013-02-19T23:25+00:00

^If a Downtown-Midtown-CWE streetcar line can be constructed so fiber optic conduits are layed simultaneously... what a City we will have.

Should this follow the Olive/Lindell route as has been heralded, then that opens up massive development opportunities, from the empty office space in Downtown to the open real estate along Olive west of 15th, past Wells Fargo to SLU (where the Billikens and Automobile Row businesses can tap into the hard lines as well!), and into the increasingly dense urban residential communities in the CWE.

Think of all the jobs!
Think of all the tax revenues!
Think of all the people!

pat · PostFeb 19, 2013#5292013-02-19T23:41+00:00

How about free wifi on the trolley? That would be sweet

Gateway City · PostFeb 20, 2013#5302013-02-20T09:21+00:00

A paradigm shift. Taking St. Louis to the next level.

flipz · PostFeb 20, 2013#5312013-02-20T15:55+00:00

Would fiber optic really make a huge difference? I imagine charter already partially uses fiber anyway. I thought they offered 100 mbps service already but I don't know at what price. I guess it would help create a technology leader image for STL and maybe drive costs down.

pat · PostFeb 20, 2013#5322013-02-20T17:45+00:00

They're talking about gigabit speeds. So at least ten times faster.

innov8ion · PostFeb 21, 2013#5332013-02-21T01:53+00:00

flipz wrote:Would fiber optic really make a huge difference? I imagine charter already partially uses fiber anyway. I thought they offered 100 mbps service already but I don't know at what price. I guess it would help create a technology leader image for STL and maybe drive costs down.

Charter uses coax to the home and is farking expensive. Google Fiber, on the other hand, is farking fast and reasonably priced. Its a game changer.

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 21, 2013#5342013-02-21T03:08+00:00

FWIW - I get 50Mbps for $30/mo via Charter.

pat · PostFeb 21, 2013#5352013-02-21T14:19+00:00

^ So I bet 20 times that for $70 wouldn't be too bad..

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 21, 2013#5362013-02-21T14:23+00:00

Guess so, but as a consumer, I don't know what I would do with 1GB that I can't/don't do with 50MB. I guess I'd keep my $40 and eat out a couple times.

flipz · PostFeb 21, 2013#5372013-02-21T16:17+00:00

That's what I'm saying. Greater speeds are available but people choose to go with the $15/mo plan because it serves them well. There are no services that can take advantage of anything close to those speeds. I don't see it as a game changer. I think that it may attract new businesses and innovation to the area though.

innov8ion · PostFeb 21, 2013#5382013-02-21T17:52+00:00

Alex Ihnen wrote:FWIW - I get 50Mbps for $30/mo via Charter.

That's just a 12 month promotional price. After that, they jack up the price to who knows what. I pay $55 for 16 Mb/s ATT DSL and would love the option to pay $15 more for 62x the speed.

wabash · PostFeb 21, 2013#5392013-02-21T18:18+00:00

Alex Ihnen wrote:Guess so, but as a consumer, I don't know what I would do with 1GB that I can't/don't do with 50MB. I guess I'd keep my $40 and eat out a couple times.

But you're not a start-up or small business that requires a superfast connection to provide breaking news, photos, videos, interactive services, social networking, and a reliable platform for hundreds of users. Oh wait..... nevermind.

innov8ion · PostFeb 21, 2013#5402013-02-21T20:11+00:00

wabash wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote:Guess so, but as a consumer, I don't know what I would do with 1GB that I can't/don't do with 50MB. I guess I'd keep my $40 and eat out a couple times.
But you're not a start-up or small business that requires a superfast connection to provide breaking news, photos, videos, interactive services, social networking, and a reliable platform for hundreds of users. Oh wait..... nevermind.

nextSTL runs off a Virtual Private Server w/ linode.com. Anyway, don't wanna get us off "track" too much.

Presbyterian · PostFeb 21, 2013#5412013-02-21T22:50+00:00

The Loop Media Hub RFI (Request for Information) from February 2012 lays out what they were hoping to accomplish at that point, including uninterrupted wi-fi.

I notice that the footprint for the Media Hub only goes east to the Delmar Metro station (one mile) — not the entire length of the streetcar line. Whatever the cost of laying the Loop cable, that's presumably the approximate cost per mile. To get downtown (during any potential streetcar construction), multiply that number by six.

I just can't find what that number is, though.

http://www.itenstl.org/attachments/arti ... e%2010.pdf

quincunx · PostFeb 28, 2013#5422013-02-28T14:16+00:00

Here's all the conditions put on the Trolley by U City. Did St Louis put all this on them too? The hours of operation stick too.

U City Patch - Loop Trolley Moves One Step Closer to Reality

http://universitycity.patch.com/article ... um=twitter

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 28, 2013#5432013-02-28T15:28+00:00

U-City's screwing this up, bad.

quincunx · PostFeb 28, 2013#5442013-02-28T15:50+00:00

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

wheelfru · PostFeb 28, 2013#5452013-02-28T16:00+00:00

Those operating hours just kill me.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 28, 2013#5462013-02-28T16:05+00:00

11 am- 6 pm Sunday through Thursday? What's the point?

JPCosgrove · PostFeb 28, 2013#5472013-02-28T16:27+00:00

Those hours are going to kill it. What's the point if it doesn't run on the weekends?

captainjackass · PostFeb 28, 2013#5482013-02-28T16:31+00:00

^Extended hours on the weekends. So 10:30 to 6:30, maybe.

mill204 · PostFeb 28, 2013#5492013-02-28T17:38+00:00

Opening Year Assumptions: Headway = 20 minutes, Boarding Fare = $2, Competing Bus Service, Service Hours = 11 am – 6pm weekdays; 11am – 12 am weekends

roger wyoming II · PostFeb 28, 2013#5502013-02-28T17:49+00:00

mill204 wrote:Opening Year Assumptions: Headway = 20 minutes, Boarding Fare = $2, Competing Bus Service, Service Hours = 11 am – 6pm weekdays; 11am – 12 am weekends

were these service hours already the plan by Loop Trolley or were they cut back by UC?

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