There is actually, the amount of single track running along Delmar and DeBaliviere is a huge limit to frequency. They might be able to make things a little better, but not the ten minute frequency we all want. And I believe they have four cars, two from Portland, two from Seattle.hiddeninput wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017Plus, there's nothing to keep them from increasing the times if the trolley proves to be very successful. But they only have two cars right now, so one wonder ho aggressive they can be in the short-term.
The director of Loop Trolley Co. said they have three total cars, not four on the interview. I guess they nixed one.aprice wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017There is actually, the amount of single track running along Delmar and DeBaliviere is a huge limit to frequency. They might be able to make things a little better, but not the ten minute frequency we all want. And I believe they have four cars, two from Portland, two from Seattle.hiddeninput wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017Plus, there's nothing to keep them from increasing the times if the trolley proves to be very successful. But they only have two cars right now, so one wonder ho aggressive they can be in the short-term.
The are two places cars can pass, one on Delmar and one on DeBaliviere.aprice wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017There is actually, the amount of single track running along Delmar and DeBaliviere is a huge limit to frequency. They might be able to make things a little better, but not the ten minute frequency we all want. And I believe they have four cars, two from Portland, two from Seattle.hiddeninput wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017Plus, there's nothing to keep them from increasing the times if the trolley proves to be very successful. But they only have two cars right now, so one wonder ho aggressive they can be in the short-term.
There were two Portland cars and two Seattle cars. Wonder what happened. Not enough money to refurb the 4th?
NextSTL - Loop Trolley Corridor Photo Tour: DeBaliviere
https://nextstl.com/2017/04/loop-trolle ... baliviere/
https://nextstl.com/2017/04/loop-trolle ... baliviere/
Jarrett Walker has argued in Human Transit that the lower limit for frequency for a viable transit option is 20 minutes (or an average wait time of 10 minutes). Less than that and riders look for alternatives for actual consistent use.
The 1, 70, and 99 buses meet that standard. Any others? A big detriment to the usability of our bus system.
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Looks like the road resurfacing has started. They're grinding up the pavement around man hole covers on Delmar right now.
When is this thing supposed to be tested under its own power?
I think the 1 and the 99 should be disqualified from your list as neither provides 20 minutes headways on weekends (and the 99 has 30 min headways as early as 6pm!).
quincunx posted this a couple of days ago:
KMOX - Loop Trolley Wires Activated this Week
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/04/24/ ... this-week/
I just saw a video of the newly renovated trolley barn, and it clearly shows four cars. Core 10 Architecture posted it on their Facebook page.stlgasm wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017The director of Loop Trolley Co. said they have three total cars, not four on the interview. I guess they nixed one.aprice wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017There is actually, the amount of single track running along Delmar and DeBaliviere is a huge limit to frequency. They might be able to make things a little better, but not the ten minute frequency we all want. And I believe they have four cars, two from Portland, two from Seattle.hiddeninput wrote: ↑Apr 26, 2017Plus, there's nothing to keep them from increasing the times if the trolley proves to be very successful. But they only have two cars right now, so one wonder ho aggressive they can be in the short-term.
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Wasn't there some discussion of this a while back? Didn't we determine that Delmar Loop had the two Portland replica Brills and St. Louis bought the three Seattle W-2s, brought one into ADA compliance, and is presently storing the other two? Thus Delmar Loop could easily have only three operational cars? (Only two of which are actually theirs.) The fourth car on their property is presumably stored, and the city may well still be storing a fifth car at Metrolink's shop or somewhere similar. Seems like this one rolls around every now and then.
Do we end up with too many bike lanes?
THANK YOU ENOUGH WITH ALL THE BIKE LANES!!
http://www.davemabe.com/2017/05/09/do-w ... ike-lanes/
THANK YOU ENOUGH WITH ALL THE BIKE LANES!!
http://www.davemabe.com/2017/05/09/do-w ... ike-lanes/
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I actually wonder if the trolley will end up helping for one simple and odd reason: everyone will travel more slowly and cautiously as long as no one knows quite what to do. Even if there are actually more accidents if folks are traveling more slowly odds are they'll be more minor, so there could still be fewer injuries. The darn trolley islands, mystery signals, and chicanes could act as unintentional traffic calming. When accidents were getting to serious at one of Germany's premier race tracks, Hokenheim, they introduced wiggles on the straightaways called chicanes (after a wiggling dance step) to slow everyone down. Race car drivers. That's right. Race promoters wanted race car drivers driving more slowly. Seriously. Wiggles serve the same purpose on city streets. Okay, flange ways are a problem. But I expect cyclists will find a way to deal with it. They did before. Bicycles are hardly a new phenomenon. Lots of old pictures with both bicycles and streetcars. And pedestrians, even. But there were fewer cars and they moved more slowly. So if this slows cars down or convinces irremediable folks like me to put our gas powered death machines elsewhere . . . you win! Well, we win, really. Gas powered death machines kill a lot of death machinists . . . I mean motorists and motor vehicle passengers too. But far fewer when we're moving more slowly. And I have to tell you, I'm driving through there even more slowly and carefully than I was before, because . . . that thing is nuts. Beautiful and nuts. Like a slice of history.
The new pavement is going down on Delmar as we speak. This, plus nice, new lane markings, should help everyone.
Also, a trolley was out running on it's own this morning.
Also, a trolley was out running on it's own this morning.
Another delay. And as I suspected the other two cars aren't going to run because there isn't enough money to renovate them at the moment.
StlToday - Along for the Ride: Delayed renovation of Loop trolley car leaves line's opening date unknown
StlToday - Along for the Ride: Delayed renovation of Loop trolley car leaves line's opening date unknown
Trolley planners initially had expected to open at the end of last year. Then the start date was pushed back to spring, then to early summer. Late summer or early fall is the current projected time period, Edwards said.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/al ... um=twitterTwo other cars formerly used in Seattle have been delivered but money isn't available yet to renovate them, Edwards said. Plans call for them to be eventually sent to the Iowa company for refurbishing and also put into service here, he said.
Too bad. Was hoping it'd be open by Labor Day to catch some strong summer business. But the delay is obviously par for the course. Hopefully it'll at least make a 2017 debut.
Ridiculous. Way to build confidence with the already-skeptical public...
Get a load of this, posted on Facebook by Chris Sommers (owner of Pi):
Just learned today that the REAL reason for the Loop Trolley delay is that in first day of testing, they realized that from just 15mph, these sh*tty, 100 year old trolleys take SEVENTY feet to stop. So, when they run in traffic lanes, they can't stop. Like at all.
Potential solutions are to run the trolley cars at FIVE mph the entire route, or totally overhaul the cars. They don't have money for the latter. The delay is now indefinite.
Well done, STL. Well done!
Meanwhile, check out the MODERN streetcars in Cincy, KC, Milwaukee and virtually every other city. They get it. We don't. Because we can't have anything nice. And we want to live in the past. Ding, Ding.
Just learned today that the REAL reason for the Loop Trolley delay is that in first day of testing, they realized that from just 15mph, these sh*tty, 100 year old trolleys take SEVENTY feet to stop. So, when they run in traffic lanes, they can't stop. Like at all.
Potential solutions are to run the trolley cars at FIVE mph the entire route, or totally overhaul the cars. They don't have money for the latter. The delay is now indefinite.
Well done, STL. Well done!
Meanwhile, check out the MODERN streetcars in Cincy, KC, Milwaukee and virtually every other city. They get it. We don't. Because we can't have anything nice. And we want to live in the past. Ding, Ding.
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Oh FFS. Someone needs to verify this soon and if it's true then that's just embarrassing. This entire thing has been a boondoggle from the beginning. I'm all for adding trolleys, but this whole thing has been one cut corner after another.