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Post9:50 PM - Feb 13#226

framer wrote:Just a few decades ago people feared that computers would take all the jobs away. Before that it was the steam engine. And I'm sure some caveman threw a hissy-fit the first time he saw a wheel.

New technology can be scary, but the world adapts and moves on.
That doesn’t mean said technology should not be regulated to make sure the technology is done to benefit and not destroy. The automotive industry and transportation are both heavily regulated.


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Post9:54 PM - Feb 13#227

True.

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Post10:07 PM - Feb 13#228

AI good enough. More than capable, and improving at an exponential rate from this point forward. Go get a paid Claude now, otherwise you will be left behind.

https://shumer.dev/something-big-is-happening

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Post10:22 PM - Feb 13#229

Very soon the City of St. Louis should  consider having a consultant prepare recommendations for AI enabled process improvements. Many of the City's IT and software providers (ADP, GIS, OpenGov) are incorporating AI and employees should know how to use them. A City chronically understaffed could probably close that gap within administrative tasks with process improvements. 

Generally, if the benefits of AI are real, Government should become cheaper. That's good for taxpayers who want more out of their municipalities. 

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Post10:34 PM - Feb 13#230

We must cover our city in highways and massive office buildings. This is the direction of the economy and society. If St. Louis doesn't get in now, it will be left behind. Think of all the economic growth these new highways and the tax revenue these new office buildings will create. Remember what happened with riverboats? We didn't go all in on railroads and got left behind. If the benefits of highways and office buildings are real, St. Louis will overtake Chicago by the end of the century.

-UrbanSTL in 1960

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Post11:30 PM - Feb 13#231

Leaded gas, CFCs, PCBs, PFAs, asbestos, Thalidomide, opioid pain killers, DDT, Paraquat, etc, etc were innovative too in their day and made some people a lot of money. 

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Post5:26 AM - Feb 15#233

Large circuit board  manufacturing facility planned for Dupo, 200 to 400 jobs.
"Mr. Stubblefield stated that he had spoken with a group that presented plans for a printed circuit board manufacturing facility to be located in Dupo. The project involves relocating manufacturing operations from Asia with the group maintaining ownership interest. The facility is expected to employ between 200 and 400 workers. The group is currently coordinating with Ameren to ensure sufficient power capacity, and preliminary discussions indicate that adequate power is available."

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I assume this is one of the many negotiations Ameren mentioned. 

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Post9:10 AM - Feb 16#234

^Now that is very interesting indeed! Let's hope something comes of it.

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Post4:29 PM - Feb 18#235

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump- ... lCard=true

Common Pritzker W

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Post5:45 PM - Feb 18#236

https://youtube.com/shorts/Sh5h5rpJcQY? ... H0Iiidx0Ch

A short argument for data center construction in North City along the river. 

Their argument is very sound. Put the data centers in the established North Broadway / Hall Street industrial area with heavy capacity and no proximate residential, and in an area that already has excess capacities for power sourcing and related infrastructure. Plus, it's along the highway and along rail routes with heavy freight train traffic, so any potential noise should be abated by the hum of wheels anyways, both rubber car tires and steel train wheels. Then, see if new, direct power generation can be sourced from the river itself. There's no realistic argument that data centers will go away fully; in fact, we're going to need a lot more. Get them in the blighted brownfields rather than in green fields out in the middle of nowhere. And if they're in the City, then we get the tax revenues that we very desperately need. 

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Post8:35 PM - Feb 18#237

Donald Trump’s AI push fuels revolt in Maga heartlands
(Independence MO) 

https://archive.ph/DlT49

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Post4:28 AM - Feb 19#238

gone corporate wrote:
5:45 PM - Feb 18
https://youtube.com/shorts/Sh5h5rpJcQY? ... H0Iiidx0Ch

A short argument for data center construction in North City along the river. 

Their argument is very sound. Put the data centers in the established North Broadway / Hall Street industrial area with heavy capacity and no proximate residential, and in an area that already has excess capacities for power sourcing and related infrastructure. Plus, it's along the highway and along rail routes with heavy freight train traffic, so any potential noise should be abated by the hum of wheels anyways, both rubber car tires and steel train wheels. Then, see if new, direct power generation can be sourced from the river itself. There's no realistic argument that data centers will go away fully; in fact, we're going to need a lot more. Get them in the blighted brownfields rather than in green fields out in the middle of nowhere. And if they're in the City, then we get the tax revenues that we very desperately need. 
I said before, put one on the workhouse site and TIF it using all the money raised for North city needs.

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Post5:23 PM - Feb 19#239

^Amen. While you're at it, there's some other underutilized sites along Hall Street that could house some more data centers. How much tax revenue does each produce? 

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Post5:54 AM - Feb 21#240

It’s time to get serious. We cannot let the Barr warehouse get unnecessarily demoed for a data center

This is ridiculous

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Post6:14 PM - Feb 23#242

I live a 100 yards from a data center and none of that is happening

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Post6:34 PM - Feb 23#243

dbInSouthCity wrote:I live a 100 yards from a data center and none of that is happening
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8gy7lv448o

It's a great example of what happens when we blindly allow construction of these monstrosities without proper regulation or accountability. The idea that there will be no unforseen consequences of putting a massive data center in the middle of some very busy parts of the city is juvenile.

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Post6:08 AM - Feb 24#244

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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I live a 100 yards from a data center and none of that is happening
And how many square feet is it and how many watts? I don't want to say the woman's plumbing issue is Meta's fault. Maybe it is, or maybe she just hasn't maintained the plumbing on her house. There's a thousand things that could go wrong there. But I think it's deeply unfair comparing something like AT&T's switching operations or a SLU's server farm with even something like a classic Amazon cloud service center, let alone Meta AI's needs. Things behave differently at scale. Which is why we started changing building codes when things started to get taller than about ten stories, but not until after there was a significant body count to underscore the problems. This is no different. I'm guessing you live next to the Wainright of data centers. The Empire State of data centers is  not downtown. And the Burj Khalifa of data centers hasn't even been built yet. (And maybe won't be, since some of the same inefficiencies that plague buildings beyond about 30 stories will probably plague data centers beyond a certain size, and possibly for related reasons: it becomes more and more complicated to provide circulation, utilities, and environmental control for things as the scale of a structure increases, even if that structure only houses electrons.)

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Post8:01 PM - Feb 24#245

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... 01a5b.html

Montgomery County is giving Amazon a $1 billion tax break for a new data center.

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Post9:29 PM - Feb 24#246

Genuinely, what is the benefit to any one particular municipality to house a data center?

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Post10:00 PM - Feb 24#247

^Tax revenues

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Post10:01 PM - Feb 24#248

gone corporate wrote:
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^Tax revenues
giving Amazon a $1 billion tax break

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Post12:21 AM - Feb 25#249

I don't know the math of that particular deal. Still, municipalities want data centers because they lead to greater tax revenues and business growth. I cannot say what would happen in this one deal, with $1BB worth of tax credits going out the door, and whether or not the municipality would definitively gain back >$1BB worth of new tax revenues in the process. I can only say that they sure seem to think so. 

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Post5:29 AM - Feb 25#250

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote:Genuinely, what is the benefit to any one particular municipality to house a data center?
They print money for the communities they’re in through taxes.

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