Just because AI is here to stay does not mean the hundreds of data centers are here to stay lol. None of these companies even make money yet, the entire thing is based on the idea they will be making tons of money eventually. But there's no indication they'll be making that money anytime soon.framer wrote:AI is here to stay. Embrace the future or be left behind.
Even if one of the big players fails tomorrow. A competitor will scoop up their assets asap. It is not slowing down, if anything, it is speeding up.StlAlex wrote: ↑9:15 PM - Jan 17Just because AI is here to stay does not mean the hundreds of data centers are here to stay lol. None of these companies even make money yet, the entire thing is based on the idea they will be making tons of money eventually. But there's no indication they'll be making that money anytime soon.framer wrote:AI is here to stay. Embrace the future or be left behind.
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Winding us all the way back to the beginning of the thread here, but this deal closed in December per CoStar. I assume that if accurate, then they plan to go back before the city at some point.Jallen26 wrote: ↑Jun 13, 2025An application was submitted for annexation into the City of St. Charles. This appears to be for a new data center campus adjacent to Park 370.
Six data centers and four small office buildings.
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You know where there's a whole lot of land ready to be developed? That'd be ideal for data centers? That's right next to the central business district?“It’s obvious that they’re coming after the rural land—that’s all that’s left,” says Änna Farrar, who lives in Warrenton, the seat of Warren County and about an hour’s drive west of St. Louis. “They’ve planned out everything elsewhere, and they’re not leaving us alone to be rural anymore.”
Cahokia Heights should assemble some land, court them with a 25% property tax abatement, TIF the rest and use the money to rebuild their sewer system.gone corporate wrote: ↑7:29 PM - Jan 21STL Magazine: Rural Missouri is quickly becoming a new battleground over data center development
Good article on the interests by data center developers on greenfield sites outside the Metro Area. A quote from the article grabbed my attention:
You know where there's a whole lot of land ready to be developed? That'd be ideal for data centers? That's right next to the central business district?“It’s obvious that they’re coming after the rural land—that’s all that’s left,” says Änna Farrar, who lives in Warrenton, the seat of Warren County and about an hour’s drive west of St. Louis. “They’ve planned out everything elsewhere, and they’re not leaving us alone to be rural anymore.”
The near East Side. All that undeveloped land owned largely by the railroads that has barely anyone living alongside it. No businesses other than rail lines. And these sites all have existing electrical infrastructure nearby. From the River to Route 3, north of the Dr. King Bridge to the Musial Bridge. Multiple square miles with only a grain terminal for barges, a facilities rental site, and one foods manufacturer on Route 3. There's also East Carondelet, west of the rail yards in Dupo. There's also the edges of Washington Park, which I'm sure would be open to developments beyond strip clubs. So much of the East Side is owned by the major rail companies; I bet they'd be open to new business opportunities for existing sunk assets that are not generating any positive cash for themselves.
We as a country have been adding capacity to meet demand since the day that electrical lines were first strung to residents and businesses. Obviously not smoothly and or consistently but none the less it does happen. In addition, more and more of these data centers have been adding independent power sources, mostly generators, on site as well. Those who figure out how to add more capacity sooner will see the most investment IMOquincunx wrote: ↑12:18 AM - Jan 26The Midcontinent Independent System Operator asked utilities to ask customers to conserve electricity due to high demand related to the storm. Why are new big data centers being contemplated in this area if we're so close to capacity? Who suffers the brownouts on the hottest day of the year?
KMOV - Ameren asks customers to reduce energy use amid high demand
https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/01/24/ ... gh-demand/
IL is getting this in part because of their investments into renewable energy generation. Go figure.A company is looking to build three data centers in Metro East, which could all be linked for one project.
The data center development firm, Cloverleaf Infrastructure, has been working on projects in the Midwest, especially in states that receive more of their energy from renewable sources, and is eyeing a series of sites on the Illinois side of the St. Louis region.
The firm has publicly named one site it's hoping to build in Troy, Illinois, but it is also exploring undisclosed property on the Route 3 industrial corridor in Granite City. Cloverleaf is working on two more possible sites as part of the project: one at an unnamed location in Madison County and one at an unnamed site in St. Clair County, said Jeff Lake, development principal of Cloverleaf.
Definitely agree on Natural Gas price volatility is here and even more so going forward. I can't imagine it will get any better between increasing export capacity, increase industrial/data center demand and competing heating with climate fluctuations. Went from 80s in North Texas over the holidays to a nice little snow/ice storm this weekend. Ironically, Biden Admin should have argued the pause on new LNG export terminal permits was an America First price stability policy.quincunx wrote: ↑8:06 PM - Jan 26We now have a fed government hostile to new solar and wind power generation capacity sadly. Onsite fossil fuel power generation is a deal beaker for me. It should be for the datacenter builders too. Natural gas price volatility oh my! I would have thought the personal property tax would be a problem for building data centers in MO.
