Thanks for sharing. I've been personally affected by Gage and plan to share with the police what little info I have on him.Ebsy wrote:https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/hills ... ouis-city/
They finally caught the great South City garage thief. Maybe we should blockade 55 so these criminals from Jefferson County can't prey on us simple cityfolk.
DB, how are homicides and crime in general compared to this time last year?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 02, 2024That 3 person shooting happened further south at park and Broadway, the victims got in a car and crashed at 4th and Gratiot
end of may 2024 71 vs 70 for homicides
dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024end of may 2024 71 vs 70 for homicides
rest of crime through May will be out today but total is running -17% vs last year City wide and -36% in downtown+west
There’s no reason to think the accuracy of the numbers is any different than it always is. So the encouraging trends we are seeing are still relevant.leeharveyawesome wrote:
Everyone already knows this but it's important to remember that the crime numbers are the officially reported crime numbers coming from the City and the Police (is that right?) and they have a vested interest in lower crime numbers. I would consider the numbers a potentially vague snapshot of reality.
so when crime was up in 2020 and 2021 they didn't have a vested interest?leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024
Everyone already knows this but it's important to remember that the crime numbers are the officially reported crime numbers coming from the City and the Police (is that right?) and they have a vested interest in lower crime numbers. I would consider the numbers a potentially vague snapshot of reality.
Police are incentivized to report more crime. It's reason to ask for more money and higher headcount.leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024
Everyone already knows this but it's important to remember that the crime numbers are the officially reported crime numbers coming from the City and the Police (is that right?) and they have a vested interest in lower crime numbers. I would consider the numbers a potentially vague snapshot of reality.
That’s true. But it doesn’t mean the reductions in the reported numbers is relevant or directionally true.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:My overall opinion is this: we are significantly short staffed, meaning Active Policing and traffic enforcement are lower priority. I think the current respond and report environment lends itself to lower numbers.
What does significantly short staffed mean? We have 15 officers per sq mile. Kansas City has 3. We have 4 times as many for a city of 285,000. Authorized number in the budget isn’t some scientific number for optimal staffing, it’s just what we’ve had for decadesTheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024My overall opinion is this: we are significantly short staffed, meaning Active Policing and traffic enforcement are lower priority. I think the current respond and report environment lends itself to lower numbers.
I’m all for getting closer to our budgeted number of patrolmen, but I’m not convinced more police on the street is what’s really going to make a meaningful impact. It’s not what’s driven the declines YTD, is it?TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:I think we both know the big issue is patrolmen/women and cops on the street.
If we have so many cops how come we never see any? Only cops I’ve seen in my neighborhood were at 1) Jimmy John’s and 2) Whole Foods
If we have so many cruises patrolling why are none around to give traffic citations?
If we have so many beat cops why do we constantly hear of the need for increased patrols Downtown?
Why, why, why?
the fact that violent crime, you know things that are hard to not report, is down double digit % for 4th year in a row as SLMPD sheds officers kinds says that we dont really know what staffing is correct.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024I’m all for getting closer to our budgeted number of patrolmen, but I’m not convinced more police on the street is what’s really going to make a meaningful impact. It’s not what’s driven the declines YTD, is it?TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:I think we both know the big issue is patrolmen/women and cops on the street.
If we have so many cops how come we never see any? Only cops I’ve seen in my neighborhood were at 1) Jimmy John’s and 2) Whole Foods
If we have so many cruises patrolling why are none around to give traffic citations?
If we have so many beat cops why do we constantly hear of the need for increased patrols Downtown?
Why, why, why?
^I can’t make any sense of that whatsoever. But I think the main argument for more cops is more visibility drives more prevention. I don’t really think that’s gonna be a huge driver on stopping a ton of crime. But if we could dedicate more officers to traffic patrol, I think that would help. Plus we have a lot of officers working a ton of overtime at our current staffing levels. More officers would mean less OT, which should be more cost effective and lead to higher quality policing I would think.dbInSouthCity wrote:there were 19,000 total crimes through may, lets say it took SLMPD officers 30 min on average at scene of each one (idk this seems fair?) thats 9,500 hours at crime scenses taking down reports out of X available hours in those 5 months, so how many is that?
lets say 200 officers on any given shift X 40 hours a week X 20 weeks= 160,000 hours x 3 8 hour shifts= 480,000 hours.....that should probably be divided by 2 since theyre 2 per car, so 240,000 hours and 9,500 is spent at crime senses.....or 4%
I was told there would be no math.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2024there were 19,000 total crimes through may, lets say it took SLMPD officers 30 min on average at scene of each one (idk this seems fair?) thats 9,500 hours at crime scenses taking down reports out of X available hours in those 5 months, so how many is that?
lets say 200 officers on any given shift X 40 hours a week X 20 weeks= 160,000 hours x 3 8 hour shifts= 480,000 hours.....that should probably be divided by 2 since theyre 2 per car, so 240,000 hours and 9,500 is spent at crime senses.....or 4%
