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PostMar 10, 2021#7876

^From the sounds of it, you can roll it into the loan. It just goes directly back to the buyer.

"Now, she said that check goes to the vehicle’s buyer, who can spend it elsewhere."

Hence, the LOL response, as if this is the case it is doubly insulting/infuriating that there are this many expired/unregistered vehicles.

Anyway, we're getting pretty far OT from the crime topic of the thread. Although I will posit that if police actually cared and started pulling over unregistered vehicles crime would start to drop at a corresponding clip.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7877

STL has a terrible terrible crime problem that's worse, much worse, than comparable cities/regions. Full stop.

However, I was struck by this WSJ story about ATL. Oftentimes, I forget that many cities experience similar challenges:

Atlanta’s Crime Wave Makes Some Residents Look to the Suburbs - Buckhead group explores seceding from the city amid rise in violent crime; ‘Everybody is on edge’

By Cameron McWhirter
March 11, 2021 7:53 am ET

ATLANTA—Lauren LeNoir had always felt safe on her quiet street in Buckhead, the city’s wealthiest neighborhood, known for its upscale malls and mansions. But that all changed when she was coming home from work one night in January.
The 43-year-old restaurant general manager pulled into her driveway. In an instant, she said, two men were at her car door. One man threw her to the ground, pressed a gun to her head and threatened to blow her head off. In the end, they took off with her purse and cellphone.

“He had no regard for my life,” she said. “They’ve stolen something that I cannot get back, and that is my sense of security.”
Violent crime has been on the rise in many parts of Atlanta since last summer, not just Buckhead. From Jan. 1 to Feb. 20, there were 18 homicides in Atlanta, up 80% compared with the same period last year, according to the Atlanta Police Department. Shooting incidents were up 32% for the same period; robberies, 17%; and aggravated assaults, 47%.

In the police zone that includes Buckhead, robberies were up 40% from the same period last year and aggravated assaults rose 35%. In the police zone that includes the downtown area, aggravated assaults rose 24% and auto thefts rose more than 200%, compared with the same period last year.

Camera footage from last summer provided by Matt Brill shows a man who followed him home pulling a rifle from his car and Mr. Brill quickly running into his house.
Many major U.S. cities experienced increases in homicides, aggravated assaults and gun-related crimes in 2020, according to a report funded in part by the Council on Criminal Justice, a think tank. Of the 34 cities in the report, 29 saw annual increases in homicides, including Atlanta with 38%, New York City with 43% and Chicago with 55%.

For Atlanta, the increase follows years of dropping crime rates and an influx of wealthier residents drawn to the city by plentiful jobs, including those in tech and for corporations like Coca-Cola Co. , Delta Air Lines Inc. and Home Depot Inc.

Ms. LeNoir said she now is looking to buy a home in the suburbs and some of her friends also plan to move. “Everybody is on edge,” she said.
Some Buckhead residents are so alarmed by the crime wave that they have launched a committee to explore seceding from Atlanta, which would mean having its own police department. The Buckhead Exploratory Committee told The Wall Street Journal that crime wasn’t its only concern but was playing a critical role.

“Our residents are genuinely concerned for their safety and the safety of their family members. Residents must be wary and ‘on guard’ continuously, even when doing routine tasks like going to the gas station, nearby shopping mall, shopping at the grocery store or just pulling into their driveways, mindful if anyone is lurking in the bushes,” the committee said in a statement.

The police department and criminologists attribute the change to a shortage in officers, following protests over policing last summer that led many officers to retire or take jobs elsewhere. They also say less foot traffic on city streets during the pandemic emboldens criminals who are more likely to think they won’t get caught.

Earlier this month, Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Christopher Wray told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the pandemic and police recruiting and staffing played roles in the violent crime spikes in Atlanta and other major cities.

“The violent crime problem over the last year in particular, 2020, is something that is a great concern that we are very warily keeping our eye on,” Mr. Wray said.

Interim Police Chief Rodney Bryant, who was appointed to the post in June, has said he is committed to new policing approaches while also working to reduce violent crime. In January, Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and Chief Bryant announced a series of reform measures, including putting more resources into enforcement against gangs and gun violence, creating a new public-safety academy to train officers in new policing methods and working harder to recruit and retain officers.
Atlanta Police Department spokesman Sgt. John Chafee said in a statement the rise in violent crime came while “we were dealing with increased hostility toward law enforcement and a decreased sense of trust toward police. Atlanta, as well as many other cities, saw an increase in officers leaving the job, further adding to the challenges faced in keeping our communities safe.”

The department currently has about 1,700 sworn employees, down from the 2,046 it is authorized to have, according to the department. New recruits account for 89 of the employees.

Sgt. Chafee said the pace of officers leaving the department has slowed and its recruitment efforts are paying off, though there is still work to be done.

The crime wave has caused friction between Mayor Bottoms’s administration and the city council. In December, a 7-year-old girl was shot as she rode in her family’s car near Phipps Plaza, a Buckhead shopping mall, and died days later.
Howard Shook, the longtime city councilman for the area, wrote an open letter to the Bottoms administration, criticizing its leadership. Mr. Shook said in an interview that the administration hasn’t done enough to respond to the crime problem, while residents have overwhelmingly supported his stand.

Atlanta City Council President Felicia Moore said in an interview that the city needs to balance supporting police and making sure residents’ rights are protected. Residents are pressing for more officers to hit the streets, she said.
“The criminals read the news and watch the TV,” she said. “They know you are down officers.”

Matt Brill, 41, who has lived in Buckhead since 2002, was returning from getting a pizza for his family last summer when a man followed him home. When the man pulled a rifle from his car, Mr. Brill quickly ran into his house and called the police. The man drove away.

Mr. Brill said he has no plans to move yet, but he said some neighbors are thinking of leaving.

“You kind of are hopeful that this is a near-term trend,” he said. “At first it’s just a one-off, but then it keeps happening and you wonder, are we just stupid for staying here?”

Write to Cameron McWhirter at cameron.mcwhirter@wsj.com

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PostMar 11, 2021#7878

Crime is everywhere, I always thought it was funny STL folks seemed to think other cities don’t have it.  No one is excusing St. Louis’ problems but every city struggles, especially the nations biggest cities...especially this past year.

Go pick up a recent copy of the NYT and read about the crime waves currently rampaging thru Manhattan.  Or the astronomical increase in homicides and violent crime in Philadelphia or the skyrocketing nationwide increase in carjackings, especially in Chicago (maybe I know these things because I read newspapers in other cities, but STL is FAR from unique in this regard).

I lived in KC for 13 years...I’ll have been back in STL for a year on March 15th.  In my view it was just as bad there as it is here.  Literally no difference except their diluted crime stats because of all the suburban areas and farmland they sucked into their boundaries in the 60s and 70s.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7879

sc4mayor wrote:
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Crime is everywhere, I always thought it was funny STL folks seemed to think other cities don’t have it.  No one is excusing St. Louis’ problems but every city struggles, especially the nations biggest cities...especially this past year.
Things may have changed this past year, but as someone who has lived in other large cities both in the US and abroad I am typically baffled by the opposite attitude: many locals I know think that the level of violence in this city is perfectly normal. It's not, at least not outside of Latin America.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7880

^ I don't think it's perfectly normal at all.  Not even remotely close to what I was saying.

My apologizes if that's what my "attitude" was saying, it wasn't what I was intending.  It's depressingly and disgustingly high here, like I said I'm not "excusing the problems St. Louis has."

Maybe it's just the small Midwestern cities like St. Louis and KC that have the relentless never-ending violence.  Though I'm not sure people in Philly or Chicago or Baltimore, etc. would agree with that...even pre-pandemic.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7881

comparing 1-year pandemic trends with what has essentially been STL's equilibrium state since the 90s is not especially convincing, though. it's bad. a handful of US cities are comparable but their populations are larger, and their rates lower.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7882

^ Again...not disagreeing.  It's disgustingly high here.  Some of these trends...like teenaged carjackings for example, are certainly more pandemic induced.

But telling someone in KC or Chicago or other cities that have had rampant violent crime for decades that it's just a pandemic trend is bullsh*t too.  That first KC link I posted was from 2018.  Not a pandemic trend in that town my friend...and again I only bring up KC because I spent over a decade there and have the most familiarity with that city outside of STL.

To your last point...exactly why I hate these comparisons.  No, massaging the statistics to make things look better absolutely isn't the solution, but I get really f*cking sick of comparing STL's urban core with these other cities and their vast stocks of suburbs inside of their limits.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7883

^ maybe KC has had rampant violent crime for decades. i don't know. but i've never heard much about it until recently. same terrible state legislature, so it's possible. but Chicago, despite it's serious crime, has more than 6 times the population of STL and, therefore, a considerably lower rate per capita. Detroit's is lower with >2x the population. Baltimore's rate is lower with ~2x the population. New Orleans' is lower with only ~40K more people than STL. i'm definitely not trying to argue that other cities don't have bad crime, and maybe these new trends will stick around, but it's been worse in STL for a while now. and if feels worse, IMO. and i say that as someone who apologized for a long time. but i've lived outside of STL (and MO) for over 2 decades (not continuously) including Colorado and several places on the east coast and northeast and i can feel the difference in tension in STL including our very recent stint living there—particularly outside of the central corridor. your mileage may vary, of course, but the precipitous loss of population kind-of speaks for itself. i'm not trying to curse STL. i really really want things to improve. i guess i'm down because, like many before me, i've watched the place that i care for more than any other place in the world decline continuously since i was a kid. here's hoping that a new cohort of progressive civic leaders can turn it around.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7884

^ You win.  I don't have it in me to argue about crime in St. Louis.  It's such a stupid f*cking argument, anyway.  Nothing you or I can do about it.

My apologies everyone for originally furthering this discussion in the first place.

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PostMar 11, 2021#7885

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 i guess i'm down because, like many before me, i've watched the place that i care for more than any other place in the world decline continuously since i was a kid. here's hoping that a new cohort of progressive civic leaders can turn it around.
Well, try to cut it out would you? The worst thing about StL is all the woe is us crap from its residents.

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PostMar 12, 2021#7886

SLMPD hasn’t updated crime data for January and February (usually they do about 5-8 days after the month is over) due to data tracking system update, no ETA on when data will be back up again

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PostMar 12, 2021#7887

^After the General Election? 

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PostMar 12, 2021#7888

BellaVilla wrote:
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urban_dilettante wrote:
Mar 11, 2021
 i guess i'm down because, like many before me, i've watched the place that i care for more than any other place in the world decline continuously since i was a kid. here's hoping that a new cohort of progressive civic leaders can turn it around.
Well, try to cut it out would you? The worst thing about StL is all the woe is us crap from its residents.
eh, maybe not worse than the crime itself but, okay, i'll do my best.

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PostMar 17, 2021#7889

Yes, I realize that this is from Fox News, and no, I didn't watch the segment, but jeez; what a headline:

"Portland reports 2000% rise in homicides after defunding police"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/portland-rep ... 09075.html

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PostMar 17, 2021#7890

Portland had 55 homicides in 2020 and have had 20 so far this year. Not seeing a 20x increase.
Oh there was just one Jan 1 -Mar 1,7 2020 and there's been 20 Jan 1 - Mar 17, 2021

We would have a parade if we had these numbers.

Portland OR Homicides By Month 2020.png (94.15KiB)

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/71978

PostMar 20, 2021#7891

Stltoday - Experts: Inconsistency in violence prevention programs can be the death of crime reduction efforts

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 0dcf3.html

PostMar 21, 2021#7892

KSDK - Man shot multiple times near busy Lake St. Louis intersection

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 27c5f03564

PostMar 25, 2021#7893

Stltoday - Festus boy, 10, injured when shots fired into family's home

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... fab4d.html

PostApr 04, 2021#7894

Guns and cars, cars and guns. Surprised they didn't say "near Metrolink."

KMOV - Teen, woman wounded in rolling gun battle that ended near Delmar Loop

https://www.kmov.com/news/teen-woman-wo ... 46c80.html

Ah KSDK got it

KSDK - 2 injured in rolling gun battle along Delmar

https://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/new ... 3abb8eb5ce

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PostApr 19, 2021#7895

Why violent crime surged after police across America retreated

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/7137565002 ... ssion=true

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PostApr 19, 2021#7896

^Nah . . . too much common sense; can't be true. 

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PostApr 19, 2021#7897

It deserves a mention. It was front page news in Ghana.
https://www.modernghana.com/amp/news/10 ... an-in.html

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PostApr 27, 2021#7898

Just heard from a source of mine that Mayor Jones has officially “defunded the police“. The City will not be filling the 200 open positions within the police department. That means that the shortage of officers on the streets will not only remain the same, but will likely get worse because officers are retiring and moving on to other departments in droves.  Whether you support the police or not, the facts are, the City of St. Louis has dealt with crime on an epic level the last several years. We are currently around 62 murders,  significantly higher than last year.  At the very least, the city should be fully staffed from a PD standpoint considering the high crime that has plagued the city and region. This issue is costing lives and our reputation,  which obviously impacts us economically.   I am all for trying to prevent crime on the front end, but there also needs to be a fully staffed Police Department on the backend. Not every criminal is mentally disabled. Some are just greedy drug dealers, gang members and/or  prefer to deal with a personal beef with deadly force. Defunding the PD is not the answer!


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PostApr 27, 2021#7899

So what is the plan now, hoping that all the idiots with guns in the city shoot each other dead and the problem goes away by itself?

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PostApr 27, 2021#7900

The plan is to re-route this funding to other “programs”

I may have missed something but I do not recall Jones ever saying that she was not going to fill the open positions within the police department.

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