SLMPD HQ was burgalarized; I guess someone got into the parking garage and stole several items including a gun. Police were able to get them back in Crystal City but haven't arrested the suspect yet.
Their point is kinda moot when the POI is from Crystal City in Jefferson County. Crime from the suburbs.
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I’m white. I hope the POS who stole SWAT gear and guns and ammo gets the book thrown at him. Why can’t black people feel the same way about black criminals?
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https://www.ussc.gov/research/research- ... sentencingwhitherSTL wrote: ↑Apr 28, 2025I’m white. I hope the POS who stole SWAT gear and guns and ammo gets the book thrown at him. Why can’t black people feel the same way about black criminals?
My view on criminality and the punishment vs rehabilitation spectrum leans more towards rehabilitation. I think all people deserve to not have the book thrown at them and rather a nuanced look at what led them to commit a crime and what changes could be made that would make them less likely to commit that crime again in the future so that after a reasonable punishment they become contributing members of society again and don't find themselves back in prison.
I apply this standard to all suspects, white or black or brown or whatever and criminology shows us that finding ways to reduce recitivism does far more to reduce crime than making punishments harsher.
Because black people are locked up at a disproportionately higher rate than the general population. Oftentimes for crimes that others would not even be ticketed for let alone jailed.whitherSTL wrote: ↑Apr 28, 2025I’m white. I hope the POS who stole SWAT gear and guns and ammo gets the book thrown at him. Why can’t black people feel the same way about black criminals?
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One of the reasons I like St. Louis, besides the wonderful architecture from 100+ years ago and thank you to those brilliant artists who built the city that still remains, is the fact that it's almost impossible to get arrested for anything, white black whatever. Obviously it comes with a few downsides.
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So maybe the backlog Gardner left was just made up?
The dumbing down of society in the age of social media will be whole field of study
The dumbing down of society in the age of social media will be whole field of study
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Social media needs to be banned. While we're at it, so should the 24 hour news cycle. Both would make the world a lot less of an angry place.
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STL Homicide Report at 1/3 of year
2025: 35
2024: 53
-34%
2025 vs 5 year average (52.
: -37.5%
2025 vs 10 year average (52.6): -37.4%
KC
2025: 50
2024: 44
+13%
2025: 35
2024: 53
-34%
2025 vs 5 year average (52.
: -37.5%2025 vs 10 year average (52.6): -37.4%
KC
2025: 50
2024: 44
+13%
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These are very encouraging numbers for St. Louis.
I see that Kansas City is now at 51.
I see that Kansas City is now at 51.
Judge dismisses suit he derided as ‘slipshod’ without sanctions
https://www.stlmag.com/news/judge-dismi ... sanctions/
I had ChatGPT read and give me a summary of how to avoid this issue in the future. Here is the response.
Based on the facts, the primary responsibility lies with the initial administration—specifically with then–City Counselor Sheena Hamilton and her team—for these reasons:
1. Filing the lawsuit on the mayor’s last day without ensuring it was properly prepared or transitioned.
2. Using incorrect legal standards (state instead of federal), which is a fundamental legal error.
3. Not properly briefing the incoming administration on the existence and status of the suit, especially since legal matters often need continuity.
The new administration, led by City Counselor Michael Garvin, could arguably have responded more quickly once the court contacted them. But their actions—requesting more time, then seeking dismissal—appear to stem from being caught unaware rather than from negligence.
Conclusion: The initial administration bears most of the blame due to poor execution and a lack of transition planning. The new administration made some procedural missteps, but they were reacting to a situation they didn’t create.
https://www.stlmag.com/news/judge-dismi ... sanctions/
I had ChatGPT read and give me a summary of how to avoid this issue in the future. Here is the response.
Based on the facts, the primary responsibility lies with the initial administration—specifically with then–City Counselor Sheena Hamilton and her team—for these reasons:
1. Filing the lawsuit on the mayor’s last day without ensuring it was properly prepared or transitioned.
2. Using incorrect legal standards (state instead of federal), which is a fundamental legal error.
3. Not properly briefing the incoming administration on the existence and status of the suit, especially since legal matters often need continuity.
The new administration, led by City Counselor Michael Garvin, could arguably have responded more quickly once the court contacted them. But their actions—requesting more time, then seeking dismissal—appear to stem from being caught unaware rather than from negligence.
Conclusion: The initial administration bears most of the blame due to poor execution and a lack of transition planning. The new administration made some procedural missteps, but they were reacting to a situation they didn’t create.
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Suit was filed by Chuck Hatfield of Stinson Law, he’s one of the most prominent democrat lawyers in the state, who’s used the courts to stop a lot of bad gop actions
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Very positive. There seems to be some understanding and methods at work here. I’m wondering how long it takes for the near northside neighborhoods west of downtown to attract investment after a few years of looking more like the central corridor in crime stats. Hopefully they can figure out Dutchtown, which has been the only negative it seems so far this year, as I find that neighborhood beautiful with potential to be one of the premier attractive neighborhoods in the city but I assume violent crime is likely holding it back quite a bit.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Apr 30, 2025STL Homicide Report at 1/3 of year
2025: 35
2024: 53
-34%
2025 vs 5 year average (52.
2025 vs 10 year average (52.6): -37.4%
KC
2025: 50
2024: 44
+13%
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Considering developing those areas takes capital, which is in banks, and all StL bankers are in Clayton and all StL bankers loathe the city of St. Louis, particularly downtown and the north side, murders could fall to zero and they won’t have any interest in investing there. So, it’ll be a while.
A fairly thorough and easy to use crime dashboard. For example, the below graph of 12 month rolling sum of homicides in SLMPD.
https://realtimecrimeindex.com/
https://realtimecrimeindex.com/
Here is what that number looks like next to peers.
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Based on above line graph, unless I’m getting the colors wrong, Detroit and Indy have serious crime issues. Yet, the national narrative is:
Indy is booming, downtown is fantastic, big-time sports events host.
Detroit on the comeback, downtown is fantastic, host of NFL draft recently.
So do those two metros have a better PR messaging system?
I would argue that this shows how important an activated downtown is…and how important it is to host big-time sporting events. Sports are getting more popular, not less. Why? Because it’s the last bastion of true, objective human competition. No bias, no BS, no AI.
Indy is booming, downtown is fantastic, big-time sports events host.
Detroit on the comeback, downtown is fantastic, host of NFL draft recently.
So do those two metros have a better PR messaging system?
I would argue that this shows how important an activated downtown is…and how important it is to host big-time sporting events. Sports are getting more popular, not less. Why? Because it’s the last bastion of true, objective human competition. No bias, no BS, no AI.
It shows how important a bigger denominator is when calculating rates.
Memphis and Detroit. Colors aren’t great.whitherSTL wrote:Based on above line graph, unless I’m getting the colors wrong, Detroit and Indy have serious crime issues. Yet, the national narrative is:
Indy is booming, downtown is fantastic, big-time sports events host.
Detroit on the comeback, downtown is fantastic, host of NFL draft recently.
So do those two metros have a better PR messaging system?
I would argue that this shows how important an activated downtown is…and how important it is to host big-time sporting events. Sports are getting more popular, not less. Why? Because it’s the last bastion of true, objective human competition. No bias, no BS, no AI.
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Guess this belongs in the crime thread. Not good, shame on City of St. Louis staff involved. I want the city to pay staff more but about time STL starts confirming they’re actually quality people who deserve the salary to begin with.
Not sure how you expect to get better quality workers without increasing their pay. You can't say "we aren't gonna raise pay until better workers start joining" that's just not how that works.
Yeah, it’s almost like that’s what I’m suggesting. Increasing pay and scrutinizing moral quality simultaneously.Auggie wrote:Not sure how you expect to get better quality workers without increasing their pay. You can't say "we aren't gonna raise pay until better workers start joining" that's just not how that works.
You just follow me around to argue.
Your exact words were, "I want the city to pay staff more but about time STL starts confirming they’re actually quality people who deserve the salary to begin with."addxb2 wrote: ↑May 02, 2025I think you guys just perceive that I'm accusing the Jones administration of something. I'm not. I'm clearly saying that we should pay more to people with strong morals.
Have a good weekend!
In real life, the city won't be able to attract better quality workers without increasing pay first. Additionally, you're painting all the city's employees with the assumption that they're not quality because of the actions of a fringe few.
Has nothing to do with Jones or Spencer, nonody mentioned Jones until you just did.