Being in the 28th ward, I wrote to Lyda about Bill 83 and she seems to get the importance of highway removal. She is going to reach out to folks at GRG. I would encourage everyone to ask your alderpersons to speak up about it. Build what little momentum we can.
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can you remind us what BB 83 is?imran wrote:Being in the 28th ward, I wrote to Lyda about Bill 83 and she seems to get the importance of highway removal. She is going make reach out to folks at GRG. I would encourage you everyone to ask your alderpersons to speak up about it. Build what little momentum we can.
From Alex's write up : "Alderwoman Phyllis Young, D- 7th Ward, introduced Board Bill 83 that would move forward plans to remove Memorial Drive and build a “lid” over one block of I-70"
please refer to
http://nextstl.com/downtown/an-arch-gro ... f-aldermen
Bill 83 is apparently the only chance the Board of Alderman has had to question the single minded wisdom of the lid and to ask why a boulevard was not studied in its place despite public support.
http://nextstl.com/downtown/an-arch-gro ... f-aldermen
Bill 83 is apparently the only chance the Board of Alderman has had to question the single minded wisdom of the lid and to ask why a boulevard was not studied in its place despite public support.
Yesterday's email exchange between Phyllis Young and I:
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Subject: St. Louis Development Corp and I-70
Hi Phyllis, Can you share any background on WHY this study was shelved?
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From: "youngp@stlouis-mo.gov" <youngp@stlouis-mo.gov>
To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: St. Louis Development Corp and I-70
No,since it's SLDC's study you might contact it.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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I've edited this post, as I need to make it clear that I write Phyllis a few times a month and she almost always responds and responds at length.
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Subject: St. Louis Development Corp and I-70
Hi Phyllis, Can you share any background on WHY this study was shelved?
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From: "youngp@stlouis-mo.gov" <youngp@stlouis-mo.gov>
To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: St. Louis Development Corp and I-70
No,since it's SLDC's study you might contact it.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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I've edited this post, as I need to make it clear that I write Phyllis a few times a month and she almost always responds and responds at length.
For all intents and purposes things would change in a heartbeat if one the folowing players in the immediate area comes forward with a vision that embrace to City to River. Obviously, Slay's administration is afraid of that vision by the actions recently taken.
1) Stan K/Rams proposed a new riverfront stadium and additional development on north riverfront with the raised freeway removed.
2) McKee proposes something meaningful for Bottleworks. I think his vision of a new 22nd street interchange is a lot better than what exists now and same principles could be applied in renderings, website, pushed by his architects. However, he doesn't carry over any vision to connecting Bottleworks to Lacledes Landing.
3) Pinnalce sells to an casino owner who has a grander vision for Laclede's Landing once it enters the St. Louis market. Maybe a locally based casino operator with no St. Louis presence will take that torch, who knows.
Expressing support then being silent about it on the political front is obviously not cutting it.
1) Stan K/Rams proposed a new riverfront stadium and additional development on north riverfront with the raised freeway removed.
2) McKee proposes something meaningful for Bottleworks. I think his vision of a new 22nd street interchange is a lot better than what exists now and same principles could be applied in renderings, website, pushed by his architects. However, he doesn't carry over any vision to connecting Bottleworks to Lacledes Landing.
3) Pinnalce sells to an casino owner who has a grander vision for Laclede's Landing once it enters the St. Louis market. Maybe a locally based casino operator with no St. Louis presence will take that torch, who knows.
Expressing support then being silent about it on the political front is obviously not cutting it.
Isn't it time to just commission our own study? Who do I give my $50 to?
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^ If it's going to happen, a committee needs to explore funding methods - Kickstarter, an independent effort, etc. Join up with City to River and help push something forward.
Isn't this what RallySTL is for? How about the urbanist in St. Louis put some money together to draft a comprehensive plan for the 21st century that can go in front of the voters.
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Great question. I think a kickstarter or something is a great idea, but I'm not sure if commissioning an independent study is necessarily the best investment as it is a large cost with questionable results. The problem is even if the study says all the right things, there is no guarantee that buy-in from the powers-to-be would result.realclear wrote:Isn't it time to just commission our own study? Who do I give my $50 to?
I think the key is to engage city leadership in a way that they want to move it forward. How to do that is beyond my pay grade, but effective outreach has to be some component of that success. So maybe kickstarter for marketing/community outreach is a better investment? Just my 2c.
How does one join up with City to River and help push something forward? I've emailed, but never get any feedback. Would love to help out more than just spreading the word....^ If it's going to happen, a committee needs to explore funding methods - Kickstarter, an independent effort, etc. Join up with City to River and help push something forward.
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I hear what you're saying, but advocates for the study of this have said the same thing for literally three years. It's time for something different. City leadership has asked advocates to wait, MoDOT has said such a study wouldn't be particularly valid. And yet how else to raise the pressure and fully demonstrate public support? IMO - more and greater public pressure is the only way to move the issue forward and that's what a study might do.roger wyoming II wrote:I'm not sure if commissioning an independent study is necessarily the best investment as it is a large cost with questionable results. The problem is even if the study says all the right things, there is no guarantee that buy-in from the powers-to-be would result.
I think the key is to engage city leadership in a way that they want to move it forward. How to do that is beyond my pay grade, but effective outreach has to be some component of that success. So maybe kickstarter for marketing/community outreach is a better investment? Just my 2c.
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I agree more and greater public pressure is the the answer, but I'm just not sure on whether a study is the answer. Certainly something to look at. Maybe something cheaper in the meantime is printing up stickers saying "Tear Down this Wall" and slapping them on the supports!Alex Ihnen wrote: IMO - more and greater public pressure is the only way to move the issue forward and that's what a study might do.
From a 2010 StLtoday article:
Apparently, doing nothing is the answer.Today, nearly everyone agrees that cutting downtown off from the river with an interstate 45 years ago was a mistake. "A disastrous decision," said Jeff Rainford, chief of staff to Mayor Francis Slay.
"What do you do about it?" he asked. "That's another question."
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I think the real question is whether or not a movement can push the issue to the forefront in a way that come November 2015, it's the focus of downtown development.
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Kickstarter is an independent effort - the $ would go straight to City to River or whomever is putting together the study. RallySTL would need to get voted up, then a budget assessed, then a local partner found - who would then possibly own the project. That's the ultra short version, and I'm not saying one is better than the other.
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Here is a good overview of the status of the study of the elevated I-10 in New Orleans:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... s_a_1.html
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... s_a_1.html
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While it may help, you really don’t need a study. What you need is a mobilized collection of forum members, city residents, and urbanites to push the vision. We need to be a group that actively schmooze’s politicians, that educates the general public why this vision is important, and does a great job mobilizing the populace that is currently not on this forum to make a difference.
I know you don’t want to hear it but we need to be having meetings with officials and contributing to campaigns, otherwise nothing will happen. If a politicians job is on the line things will change in a heartbeat.
I know you don’t want to hear it but we need to be having meetings with officials and contributing to campaigns, otherwise nothing will happen. If a politicians job is on the line things will change in a heartbeat.
So, lobbyists?downtown2007 wrote:While it may help, you really don’t need a study. What you need is a mobilized collection of forum members, city residents, and urbanites to push the vision. We need to be a group that actively schmooze’s politicians, that educates the general public why this vision is important, and does a great job mobilizing the populace that is currently not on this forum to make a difference.
I know you don’t want to hear it but we need to be having meetings with officials and contributing to campaigns, otherwise nothing will happen. If a politicians job is on the line things will change in a heartbeat.
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active citizen lobbyists.ealfotd wrote:So, lobbyists?
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You bet. Nothing will change sitting behind a computer. Become a radical.ealfotd wrote:So, lobbyists?downtown2007 wrote:While it may help, you really don’t need a study. What you need is a mobilized collection of forum members, city residents, and urbanites to push the vision. We need to be a group that actively schmooze’s politicians, that educates the general public why this vision is important, and does a great job mobilizing the populace that is currently not on this forum to make a difference.
I know you don’t want to hear it but we need to be having meetings with officials and contributing to campaigns, otherwise nothing will happen. If a politicians job is on the line things will change in a heartbeat.





