That seems to be the norm for the few food halls I've been to.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 25, 2023Biggest issue to me is not enough seating. Seems like every time I go it is tough to find a seat. But that isn't the worst issue to have.
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The foundry has already become a Yogi Berra joke. “No one goes there anymore because the parking spaces are always full and you can never find an open seat!”
Paid parking could have been a problem, but I think a big problem was they didn't make it a mixed use development. I think the key for stability of this kind of developments going forward is increasing the residential population around them. Looks like Foundry and Armory are taking the right approach. I was really hoping Union Station could follow the same approach and make that area a true TOD.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 25, 2023^We've usually sat at the bar. Solves a lot of problems. But yeah, the place seems pretty successful so far. Really does remind me of a miniature version of Union Station back in the day. I almost hate to say this, but if they'd made Union Station's parking free the place could have killed it. (Sadly that may be what's required in this town. And yes, I'm aware you could get your ticket validated. Same at St. Louis Center, as memory serves. But to do that you had to buy stuff, and that might be the perceived burrier. Not sure what you figured you were going to do while you were there, but . . . who knows.)
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Union Station still has the opportunity to do this. They have multiple lots surrounding their property that are ripe for development.
Right now, it appears that Union Station really values its surface parking lots. I hope that changes before the decade is out.
Right now, it appears that Union Station really values its surface parking lots. I hope that changes before the decade is out.
^ Getting off topic from Foundry, but Union Station is head skrachter to me considering that LHM is developing/pushing Westport towards mixed use if not mistaken. So why not Union Station which is even better positioned IMO? or maybe it is a timing thing and will see something happen with their surface lot to the west now that MLS stadium/practiced fields have been built out.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
The Element hotel across the street isn’t good enough? You’re wanting something in the complex?dredger wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023^ Getting off topic from Foundry, but Union Station is head skrachter to me considering that LHM is developing/pushing Westport towards mixed use if not mistaken. So why not Union Station which is even better positioned IMO? or maybe it is a timing thing and will see something happen with their surface lot to the west now that MLS stadium/practiced fields have been built out.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
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I'm hoping that they will build the building featured in their model display of the district as you walk into the food hall.
There's a large building shown at Foundry Way & Vandeventer, one that would be perfect as a hotel and gateway to the district.
I'm guessing that a Foundry hotel could include some retail and conference space, and other amenities, that aren't offered in the hotels in the immediate area.
There's a large building shown at Foundry Way & Vandeventer, one that would be perfect as a hotel and gateway to the district.
I'm guessing that a Foundry hotel could include some retail and conference space, and other amenities, that aren't offered in the hotels in the immediate area.
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Element isn't bad, but the Foundry sets up well to host a more boutique and themed hotel. I personally think future development at the Foundry should focus heavily on residential with office and retail as smaller components. The more people you get living there, the better.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023The Element hotel across the street isn’t good enough? You’re wanting something in the complex?dredger wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023^ Getting off topic from Foundry, but Union Station is head skrachter to me considering that LHM is developing/pushing Westport towards mixed use if not mistaken. So why not Union Station which is even better positioned IMO? or maybe it is a timing thing and will see something happen with their surface lot to the west now that MLS stadium/practiced fields have been built out.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
Maybe. The way the Union Station hotel is in the Curio line.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023Element isn't bad, but the Foundry sets up well to host a more boutique and themed hotel. I personally think future development at the Foundry should focus heavily on residential with office and retail as smaller components. The more people you get living there, the better.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023The Element hotel across the street isn’t good enough? You’re wanting something in the complex?dredger wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023^ Getting off topic from Foundry, but Union Station is head skrachter to me considering that LHM is developing/pushing Westport towards mixed use if not mistaken. So why not Union Station which is even better positioned IMO? or maybe it is a timing thing and will see something happen with their surface lot to the west now that MLS stadium/practiced fields have been built out.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
But I'd argue for more of a family/mainline hotel given the Puttshack, Alamo Drafthouse, shopping, food hall and event space. Embassy Suites, Homewood Suites etc. Plus it would serve SLU well.
And I also wonder if midtown/CWE is boutique hotel overdone. The Doubletree in the medical complex and the Holiday Inn are the only brands in the area not boutique/upscale/boutique-like in the area. ALoft, AC, Royal Sonesta, Angad Arts, Hotel Ignacio could all be grouped like that.
^ Dweebe, I was thinking more of a full service hotel that includes full service restaurant, hotel bar and some decent conference/meeting space. So more of a mini conference hotel. Foundry location next to CORTEX/SLU/Hospital complexes would be your client base while offering evening Food Hall/Entertainment options for out of towners literally a short walk away. Foundry/Vandy location sets up well for some weekend crowd within a short distance/access to a lot of attractions via I64 or Transit.
Also agree on a Embassy Suites/Homewood Suit
es type for the weekday warriors/business not a bad option as they set up well for weekend get away. Foundry could easily try a group meeting/conference type pop up for underutilized .
Also agree on a Embassy Suites/Homewood Suit
es type for the weekday warriors/business not a bad option as they set up well for weekend get away. Foundry could easily try a group meeting/conference type pop up for underutilized .
Some Embassy Suites have full service bars and restaurants in them plus decent meeting space: Memphis, DC Georgetown, Seattle and others I've stayed at are more full service than others. But I've never stayed in a Homewood Suites with those amenities.dredger wrote: ↑Aug 27, 2023^ Dweebe, I was thinking more of a full service hotel that includes full service restaurant, hotel bar and some decent conference/meeting space. So more of a mini conference hotel. Foundry location next to CORTEX/SLU/Hospital complexes would be your client base while offering evening Food Hall/Entertainment options for out of towners literally a short walk away. Foundry/Vandy location sets up well for some weekend crowd within a short distance/access to a lot of attractions via I64 or Transit.
Also agree on a Embassy Suites/Homewood Suites type for the weekday warriors/business not a bad option as they set up well for weekend get away. Foundry could easily try a group meeting/conference type pop up for underutilized .
Maybe a regular Marriott? A JW Marriott would be pushing it.
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I think you could do the residential in Prospect yards and have the same effect. This is why i think the old Macy's building should go and build new 4-6 story midrise on both sides of Bernard. Redo the underpass area ay Vandeventer into a parklike space.Chris Stritzel wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023Element isn't bad, but the Foundry sets up well to host a more boutique and themed hotel. I personally think future development at the Foundry should focus heavily on residential with office and retail as smaller components. The more people you get living there, the better.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023The Element hotel across the street isn’t good enough? You’re wanting something in the complex?dredger wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2023^ Getting off topic from Foundry, but Union Station is head skrachter to me considering that LHM is developing/pushing Westport towards mixed use if not mistaken. So why not Union Station which is even better positioned IMO? or maybe it is a timing thing and will see something happen with their surface lot to the west now that MLS stadium/practiced fields have been built out.
Back to Foundry, any rumblings out there of a hotel as part of next phase? A full service hotel/tower next along Vande seems like a winner.
Rough numbers wise you could fit about 4 Standards between the Armory and Vandeventer. The standard has 313 apartments so about 1200 units could fit in there and its only 5 stories.
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Reminder that there's already a hotel with ties to the Foundry: the Angard Arts Hotel, which was also developed by Foundry developer Steve Smith and the Lawrence Group / New + Found.
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Aren't there still a few stands that haven't even been opened yet?
a wait list like restaurants have wait lists, or a wait list of people wanting to open food stalls in the food hall?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Sep 15, 2023Food Hall now has a wait list.
They are being super selective in who fills that last couple of stalls. If they just wanted them filled they would be.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Sep 15, 2023Aren't there still a few stands that haven't even been opened yet?
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Wow, thats surprising. I thought it would be the other way around!
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More in sales in first 6 months of 2023 than ballpark village.
I believe its about 50,000 per week this year and the zoo had 45,000 in FY 2022.
I believe its about 50,000 per week this year and the zoo had 45,000 in FY 2022.
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If we're just looking at the first 6 months of each year, that is going to skew away from BPV and the Zoo though. Would be very interesting to see full year data for 2022 for each and then once it's released for 2023.
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Idk about that, people attended cardinals games in April May and June much more so than July and August this year. the team has been in the tank since julyLaife Fulk wrote: ↑Sep 18, 2023If we're just looking at the first 6 months of each year, that is going to skew away from BPV and the Zoo though. Would be very interesting to see full year data for 2022 for each and then once it's released for 2023.
BPV still gets 6M annual visitors. the Zoo number is from their audited FY2022, 2.365M visitors.