KMOV had a segment on the race for South County Council... both the D & R were opposed to consolidation. Long way to go.
http://www.kmov.com/story/33450061/race ... -of-weight
http://www.kmov.com/story/33450061/race ... -of-weight
Good news!
StlToday - Municipal League backs talks that could reunite St. Louis, county
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 88c38.html
StlToday - Municipal League backs talks that could reunite St. Louis, county
How has the city being its own county helped it deal with the crime problem?But others thought the appeal was a gimmick.
“All you want to do is skew the numbers instead of addressing the problem,” said Ballwin Mayor Tim Pogue.
Structural problems require structural reform.“I believe it’s essential that city and county leaders work together to improve the entire region,” said Gregory F.X. Daly, the city’s collector of revenue. “There are many ways to achieve positive outcomes for the region that don’t require restructuring the city and county. We all have an obligation to improve our community.”
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 88c38.html
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some suggest that thing whole thing is a set up to get Daly out of the Mayors race....he can spend his money running for mayor or spend it defending his current position.
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Did you notice the comment made by the Mayor of Ellisville, Adam Paul?quincunx wrote:Good news!
StlToday - Municipal League backs talks that could reunite St. Louis, county
How has the city being its own county helped it deal with the crime problem?But others thought the appeal was a gimmick.
“All you want to do is skew the numbers instead of addressing the problem,” said Ballwin Mayor Tim Pogue.
Structural problems require structural reform.“I believe it’s essential that city and county leaders work together to improve the entire region,” said Gregory F.X. Daly, the city’s collector of revenue. “There are many ways to achieve positive outcomes for the region that don’t require restructuring the city and county. We all have an obligation to improve our community.”
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 88c38.html
Screw him. Part of me hopes some neighboring municipality gives out of a ton of TIF's and just hurts the renaming retail there on Manchester but not really because I hate when that happens.
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Infuriating, but in no way surprising that Chesterfield would do this. To top it off, the mayor thinks they may be able to use it as a chance to negotiate a better sales tax pool deal for themselves.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -s-re.html
What will it take to get more County folks onboard with re-entry? Part of me thinks it's hopeless right now and will take another generation. The current leadership (and voter base) in the County is baby-boomers. Once they've cleared out in 15-20 years, maybe we'll have a chance.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -s-re.html
What will it take to get more County folks onboard with re-entry? Part of me thinks it's hopeless right now and will take another generation. The current leadership (and voter base) in the County is baby-boomers. Once they've cleared out in 15-20 years, maybe we'll have a chance.
Basically the city's financials would have to improve to the point where it's a better deal to admit reentry into the county. That's or like you said baby-boomers clearing out
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They have also been using the leave St. Louis County stick too along with a few other communities. At that point would it make any sense to rejoin the county of half the county leaves as a result?SouthCityJR wrote:Infuriating, but in no way surprising that Chesterfield would do this. To top it off, the mayor thinks they may be able to use it as a chance to negotiate a better sales tax pool deal for themselves.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -s-re.html
What will it take to get more County folks onboard with re-entry? Part of me thinks it's hopeless right now and will take another generation. The current leadership (and voter base) in the County is baby-boomers. Once they've cleared out in 15-20 years, maybe we'll have a chance.
And yes I think the political makeup of the voters makes this politically impossible right now and until you change the voters minds or have changes imposed on the voters, it won't happen.
This may already be the case. We'd need to know what it would cost the county to deliver county services to city residents and weigh that against the taxes paid to the county by city resident and property owners. At the very least there's the property tax which would have generated $22.5M for the county in 2015.joelo wrote:Basically the city's financials would have to improve to the point where it's a better deal to admit reentry into the county. That's or like you said baby-boomers clearing out
Yea I agree it probably will be more beneficial too it's just actually listing it out for people to see. The problem is people seem to be going with "feelings" lately over actually numbers
I think by the time the political will for the City to reenter the County is sufficient to push to issue, the benefits to the City will likely have been substantially diminished and it won't be worth doing.
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This is exactly what the baby boomer generation said about their elders 30 years ago. Wait for the old folks to leave, then we'll take over and fix this. But the trend is the other way -- Missouri and St. Louis metro is being controlled more and more by "I got mine" folks as baby boomers die off. Missouri just voted out a baby boomer Democratic governor, and elected a young Republican. 'SouthCityJR wrote:Infuriating, but in no way surprising that Chesterfield would do this. To top it off, the mayor thinks they may be able to use it as a chance to negotiate a better sales tax pool deal for themselves.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -s-re.html
What will it take to get more County folks onboard with re-entry? Part of me thinks it's hopeless right now and will take another generation. The current leadership (and voter base) in the County is baby-boomers. Once they've cleared out in 15-20 years, maybe we'll have a chance.
Don't wait. Convince the other mayors AND conservatives in the county (and state) that it is in their interest to get St. Louis City back in St. Louis County, and then get it done now.
StlToday - Chesterfield gives thumbs down to St. Louis merger with county
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... c7192.htmlWith most members saying there’s been no clear evidence to support claims of financial or efficiency benefits of a merger, the Chesterfield City Council on Monday voted to oppose unification of the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County.
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Wow, glad to see typical racist, dog-whistle thinking is alive and well in Chesterfield. I agree with Ebsy that the political will in the County just isn't there, but hopefully in 10 years the City will be relatively better off than now and the County (or at least many parts of it) will be relatively worse off. Either that will lead to a better bargaining position for the City and a deal could be struck or, even better, the City will one day be strong enough to say F.U. to the County. By then Chesterfield's crappy outlet malls will have died off and maybe we can have the last laugh.
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I wouldn't be surprised if one day Chesterfield joins St. Charles County or Franklin.
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quincunx wrote:StlToday - Chesterfield gives thumbs down to St. Louis merger with county
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... c7192.htmlWith most members saying there’s been no clear evidence to support claims of financial or efficiency benefits of a merger, the Chesterfield City Council on Monday voted to oppose unification of the city of St. Louis and St. Louis County.
Has clear evidence to support claims of financial or efficiency benefits of a merger been presented to the Chesterfield City Council?
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I get the bad feeling this may very well end up happening, and likely with many other areas joining in to the point it could just be another county in and of itself. And yes this is all about race to be honest, and such hyperbole can't be dismissed these days after this year.whitherSTL wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if one day Chesterfield joins St. Charles County or Franklin.
This sort of thing reminds me of a similar issue in the Atlanta metro area where wealthier whiter areas of Fulton and DeKalb counties looked to split off and form their own county (actually reform a county that was dissolved in the 1930s). What happened there was they just incorporated those areas into new municipalities since I think the DOJ stepped in for voting rights act reasons (the reasons they could no longer exist). But also note those areas in question are much more diverse than the areas in St. Louis County that may contemplate the same.
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I guess Ann Morrison's comments might have some racist undertones but that's all I see from reading the article. Very dangerous to throw that accusation around and it's too easy and too simple.
It'll happen if county government tries to force it down their throat. And isn't it hyperbole to make a blanket statement that "this is all about race to be honest"? Sure there are racial undertones, but I think you might be oversimplifying the problem.I get the bad feeling this may very well end up happening, and likely with many other areas joining in to the point it could just be another county in and of itself. And yes this is all about race to be honest, and such hyperbole can't be dismissed these days after this year.
Is city reentry into the county really worth the energy at this point? In the long run, I believe it to be a good thing. But I think the City needs to work on getting its own house in order. We've got major crime and poverty issues. Leadership in the city needs to be focused on that issue above all else.
How is the city being separate helping it deal with crime and poverty?pat wrote:But I think the City needs to work on getting its own house in order. We've got major crime and poverty issues. Leadership in the city needs to be focused on that issue above all else.
Because it's the city's problems not the county's (which the county is having to deal with higher crime now too). Sarcasm aside, people don't see how the entire region is connected and how the high crime in the city will affect the county as well.
Its not. It could be easier for the city to deal with crime and poverty if they are part of the county by having access to more resources. If that's the goal of city reentry into the county, then good luck. That's precisely the argument those in the county would make for being against city reentry.How is the city being separate helping it deal with crime and poverty?
But that wasn't my point. Is the city reentering the county a good possibility? Maybe, who knows. But how much effort will that take? If its a huge undertaking that's going to cost a lot of resources or political capital, then should we bother? Or would it be better for us to focus our efforts more and better towards reducing crime/poverty with our own resources? I think the city can tackle this problem on its own. They need to focus less on stadiums, large project like the Arch, etc., and focus on poverty and crime. Think what the city could have accomplished towards to crime reduction and helping the poor if they had put the same effort as the Arch grounds, the Rams stadium, NGA, etc.
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You guys should be encouraged to know that Chesterfield is not exactly the bellweather for how the County votes. Not saying its a shoe in, it will be a tough fought vote but i think it has a strong chance of going through. Particularly if they can make it clear that school districts and municipal consolidation are basically not part of this discussion. I just had a discussion with someone the other day who i had to explain that St. Louis city is not part of St. Louis county.
Frankly I think the opposition really comes entirely down to this statement. At least he is honest...
The one thing that troubles me is the undercurrent among city resident posters who seem ready to pass on re-entry because the see the city as being generally improving. That seems incredibly short sighted to me. SO many county decisions have significant impact on the city.
Frankly I think the opposition really comes entirely down to this statement. At least he is honest...
My thinking is that a compromise involving some kind of protections for the minority party in county government might dampen the opposition. Not sure how it could be structured. Maybe a strong separation of powers where geographic bailiages control certain aspect of county governance (like a strong burroughs system). Economic tax incentives need to be controlled at the county level, but some significant things could be administered by bailiages.Councilman Tom DeCampi cited political concerns for his opposition.
“Republicans have not won a St. Louis citywide office since 1971 — and the Republican party no longer even runs candidates for office in St. Louis,” he said. “The re-entry of St. Louis into St. Louis County would release a tsunami of far left votes.”
The one thing that troubles me is the undercurrent among city resident posters who seem ready to pass on re-entry because the see the city as being generally improving. That seems incredibly short sighted to me. SO many county decisions have significant impact on the city.