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PostDec 13, 2011#251

No. Any change in boundaries for St Louis City must be done under the process outlined in Article VI Sections 30(a) and 30(b) of the MO Constitution. This is the Board of Freeholders craft a plan then votes in St Louis City and County process. It's ridiculous that adding one acre of land to the City requires this.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/const/A06030a.HTM
http://www.moga.mo.gov/const/A06030b.HTM

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PostDec 13, 2011#252

Why is it different for KC?

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PostDec 13, 2011#253

KC isn't bound by that part of the MO Constitution. No other part of the state is. In fact Pacific MO straddles the border of Franklin and St Louis County. We're special.

Sections 30(a) and (b) were started as a part of the 1875 MO Constitution and have been added to a couple times (special districts, "the fifth way" which implies we can do whatever we want, albeit untested). The only things to come of this was separation in 1876 and MSD. City-County consolidation is option 1, reentry is option 2, annexing some of St Louis County into the City is option 3, special districts are option 4, and whatever you want is option 5.
Section 30(a). The people of the city of St. Louis and the people of the county of St. Louis shall have power (1) to consolidate the territories and governments of the city and county into one political subdivision under the municipal government of the city of St. Louis; or, (2) to extend the territorial boundaries of the county so as to embrace the territory within the city and to reorganize and consolidate the county governments of the city and county, and adjust their relations as thus united, and thereafter the city may extend its limits in the manner provided by law for other cities; or, (3) to enlarge the present or future limits of the city by annexing thereto part of the territory of the county, and to confer upon the city exclusive jurisdiction of the territory so annexed to the city; or, (4) to establish a metropolitan district or districts for the functional administration of services common to the area included therein; or, (5) to formulate and adopt any other plan for the partial or complete government of all or any part of the city and the county.

PostDec 28, 2011#254

The conflict in Dellwood over whether to keep its own police department continues. I think this indicates how hard it is to move the ball forward on consolidation issues.

St Louis American - Intimidation in Dellwood
Many residents who regularly attend board meetings say they are afraid to speak out in favor of the resolution because Dellwood police officers have visited their homes to talk with them about the board decision. About 250 residents and outsiders have spoken irately against contracting with the county police in the past month.
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_n ... 3ce6c.html

KMOX - Dellwood Tries For Another Vote Tonight on Dissolving the Police Department

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/12/27/ ... epartment/

PostJan 13, 2012#255

Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal submitted again her amendment for City reentry. Last year this sparked some discussion. Other than that I don't see the point since I don't think anyone is prepared to wage a campaign.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/12info/BTS_Web ... illID=1236

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PostJan 17, 2012#256

What would happen if St. Louis city dis-incorporated, like St. George did? What happens to all those Missouri laws that refer to St. Louis City not being allowed to over lap other counties, the way KC does?

Would things function as they do now but as a county? I guess it wouldn't be on the most dangerous cities list, since it wouldn't be a city. I guess it might start re-incorporating a many little cities (fiefdoms), like the County.

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PostJan 17, 2012#257

^ It would be a city, just a city within St. Louis County and not a city that has the same political boundaries as St. Louis City County. Couldn't be more clear, eh?

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PostJan 17, 2012#258

Uh, it would be a city? If it dis-incorporated? How would it have gotten into St. Louis County?

If I understand you correctly, it could dis-incorporate one day, and then re-incorporate the next day, and poof, it would now be in St. Louis County?

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PostJan 17, 2012#259

St. Louis City (the County) would disincorporate, thus becoming a municipality only, and not both a municipality and a county. Then it would be a city within St. Louis County, just like Clayton or Richmond Heights, etc. The issue is really that St. Louis City has its own county offices/jurisdiction. This is what disincorporation would get rid of.

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PostJan 17, 2012#260

So you're saying that St. Louis City could become part of St. Louis County without a vote by the people of the latter?

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PostJan 17, 2012#261

^ I don't know if a vote is required by either - though it would seem that the county should have the right to refuse to have the city enter its county... As I said, so clear.

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PostJan 18, 2012#262

I think if the City disincorporated it would become a part of unincorporated St Louis County. I could be wrong. Maybe no one knows. The language in the MO Constitution doesn't provide for that option.

Ceasing to be both a city and county is option 2 (aka reentry) and requires a vote.

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PostJan 18, 2012#263

^ if it remained a city, it wouldn't be unincorporated, though, would it? St. George offers a model and it will become part of unincorporated St. Louis County - but only because it was a municipality within the County before unincorporating.

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PostJan 18, 2012#264

I was thinking if St. Louis (the city, not the county) unincorporated itself like St. George, there would no longer be a city called St. Louis. But there would still be a county called "St. Louis City County", I guess. Then if st. Louis re-incorporated as a new city, named, say, "St. Louis City", instead of "St. Louis", but left out a tiny parcel on the fringes somewhere, then all the Missouri state constitution laws that bar "St. Louis" from annexing property in other counties would no longer apply to the new "St. Louis City". Then they could use existing annexation laws to try to annex across county lines as KC does. Could the city try something like this and challenge the courts to rule on the legality?

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PostJan 19, 2012#265

Could Warren County just decide to "stop being a county" one day, then choose the next day to be part of St. Charles County? Why do you assume the city would become another municipality in the County? How do you know St. Louis County would (or would be allowed to) take them? It is unprecedented to say the least. My hunch is that local political wrangling / maneuvering alone can't fix this. Only solution, in reality would be the body politic of the state dissolving/changing/etc the 1876 law(s).

If the city tried to do a rope-a-dope and sneak out of the "independent city" designation, the rural republican establishment (or those from Chesterfield and Wildwood) would throw legislative road blocks up prior said "dis-incorporation", or the State Supreme court would issue a cease-and-desist order. I just can't imagine a "quick and easy" way out of this.

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PostJan 19, 2012#266

tbspqr wrote:Could Warren County just decide to "stop being a county" one day, then choose the next day to be part of St. Charles County? Why do you assume the city would become another municipality in the County? How do you know St. Louis County would (or would be allowed to) take them? It is unprecedented to say the least. My hunch is that local political wrangling / maneuvering alone can't fix this. Only solution, in reality would be the body politic of the state dissolving/changing/etc the 1876 law(s).

If the city tried to do a rope-a-dope and sneak out of the "independent city" designation, the rural republican establishment (or those from Chesterfield and Wildwood) would throw legislative road blocks up prior said "dis-incorporation", or the State Supreme court would issue a cease-and-desist order. I just can't imagine a "quick and easy" way out of this.
I assume you are addressing this to Alex. I never suggested St. Louis would stop being a county -- just a city, like St. George.

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PostJan 26, 2012#267

The more they examine Dellwood Police the worse it looks. More evidence to my assertion that a lot of shenanigans occur in the county munis that goes unnoticed due to the sheer number of them.

It's getting ugly!

KSDK - Mayor Loretta Johnson recommends the firing of 3 Dellwood police officers
Dellwood, MO (KSDK) - Rapes, assaults, and drugs cases were never prosecuted in Dellwood, Missouri.

Mayor Loretta Johnson says there are 120 cases where potential suspects ran free because Dellwood police failed to forward the cases to the county prosecutor.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/299495 ... ment-audit

KSDK - Racial discrimination suits filed in Dellwood, Missouri
Dellwood, MO (KSDK) - Charges of racial discrimination are surfacing in Dellwood. White officers say a black mayor is on a witch hunt following a recent police audit, and they've filed suit.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/299495 ... n-Dellwood

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PostJan 26, 2012#268

^ With a little scrutiny, it's going to get very, very ugly. The veil that lets people think the city = corrupt/danger and the county is different is going to disappear. The county political structure is much less sustainable than the city's.

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PostJan 26, 2012#269

I hope more and more people are realizing that instead of thinking "well that's Dellwood's problem over there, never in MY town!"

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PostJan 26, 2012#270

^ Funny (not really) that something like Dellwood doesn't seem to reflect on Richmond Heights, or Webster Groves, but something negative about the city's College Hill neighborhood reflects poorly on Holy Hills.

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PostFeb 16, 2012#271

The saga continues.

StlToday.com - Dellwood remains in limbo over lack of quorum on board
Last spring, the city hired current City Administrator Frank Myers. He said in his nearly 30 years working in city governments he had never worked for one that was run like Dellwood.

"Everything was informal," he said of city practices. "It was like an honor system around here."
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 81375.html

KSDK - Boycott by aldermen bring Dellwood government to a halt
Frank Myers says unless an agreement is reached, this situation could last until the next aldermanic elections in April.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/304048 ... n-Dellwood

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PostFeb 26, 2012#272

Currently, St. Louis County Police department patrols unincorporated portions of the county. But they have authority over the police departments of the 91 municipalities in the County. If St. Louis City re-entered the County, would the St. Louis County Police department have authority over the St. Louis City Police Department, since St. Louis City would be just another city in County?

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PostFeb 26, 2012#273

Depends. If the state retains control, I suppose not. Whatever the arrangement is in the language of the Board of Freeholders plan of amendment could be anything. I prefer with reentry that the relationship between St Louis City and St Louis County be the same as it is with any other municipality in the county.

Perhaps down the road there could be a more true St Louis Metropolitan Police Dept for the whole bigger county.

PostApr 02, 2012#274

Election Day is tomorrow.

KSDK - City of Dellwood election turns nasty
There are four seats up for election next Tuesday. Three of those seats belong to aldermen who have been boycotting Dellwood City Council meetings since November.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/312674 ... urns-nasty

PostApr 04, 2012#275

Sounds like the drama may be over in favor of contracting police with the county

KSDK - New members elected to Dellwood city council

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/313873 ... s|bc|large

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