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PostJan 19, 2018#101

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KC: 454 - 3-4 unit structures.
Milwaukee: 0 - 3-4 unit structures.

Not really sure what the cause or significance of that is, but what a random contrast.

So the Cleve and Pittsburgh struggling; Minne, Columbus and KC ripping; And everyone else plodding along.
Columbus is surprising to me until I thought about comment in Amazon thread about being home to Ohio State University. Completely lost track of that fact and probably a big driver why Columbus is crushing Cleveland and Cinci within the state.

Almost scary to think if St Louis didn't have Wash U &Medical school, SLU and the number of colleges, universities present

The other thought, do anyone think St. Louis will still be on a climb where as KC might see some taper off in 2018-2019? KC had some nice projects come on line, especially by city supporting Power & Light bonds, and the streetcar pushed some others along sooner as well. However, neither St Louis or KC are attracting the big job moves into each respective area like you see in Denver or MSP & the fact that St. Louis is still playing catch up on building after lagging KC for a while.

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PostMay 31, 2018#102

2018 permits through April looking good, especially on multi-fam rehab

http://www.stlhba.com/images/_HBASTL/PD ... Report.pdf

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PostSep 22, 2018#104

August numbers are out - Another strong year for rehabs, multifamily rehabs looks like it will set a record- But what is really impressive is new single family - 133 permits issued this year already laps the last year - Probably will be the best year in decades


https://www.stlhba.com/images/_HBASTL/P ... Report.pdf

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PostOct 26, 2018#105

Year to date $1.125B in building permits have been issued in St. Louis City. This surpasses an inflation-adjusted $1.15B for all of 2006, the highest in recent history.

PostJan 01, 2019#106

Building Permits Total Over $1.2B in St. Louis in 2018

https://nextstl.com/2019/01/building-pe ... s-in-2018/

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PostJan 02, 2019#107

^That's going to be a tough year to beat. Lots of interesting projects underway right now.

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PostJan 02, 2019#108

A great year. Would be curious to see St. Louis County's numbers as well.

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PostJan 02, 2019#109

Would that I could, but #Fragmentation

PostJan 05, 2020#110

The buildings permits data website has a lot more stuff on it. Saves you the trouble of futzing with the database yourself.
$622M in permits issued in 2019. Tough to beat the $1.2B in 2018 until the NGA permits hit.


https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/data/dataset ... t.cfm?id=1

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PostJan 05, 2020#111

^ also add CVC convention center upgrades/expansion and MLS Stadium, 2020 could be huge year.

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PostJan 18, 2020#112

For the year -
https://www.stlhba.com/images/_HBASTL/P ... Report.pdf

Down a bit from the past couple of years - We have had 6 good years though 

Check out the rest of the decade - 2011 -2013 were dismal - With the exception of 2012 multi-families were unusually high - 

https://www.stlhba.com/images/_HBASTL/P ... _12-16.pdf
https://www.stlhba.com/images/_HBASTL/P ... _12-13.pdf

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PostJun 08, 2020#113

Thought the following biz journals article interesting and tried think what thread would be applicable.   My thought is that construction pace in St. Louis probably one reason when St. Louis fall in employment not as severe as other metro areas or ties into some of the discussion above.   

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline

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PostJun 09, 2020#114

dredger wrote:Thought the following biz journals article interesting and tried think what thread would be applicable.   My thought is that construction pace in St. Louis probably one reason when St. Louis fall in employment not as severe as other metro areas or ties into some of the discussion above.   

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Can you share the text? Or at least highlights?


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PostJun 09, 2020#115

^ Sorry, I don't have access to full text either.   The article and lead headline/lead sentence made sense to me considering some robust discussion on what is still going on from a construction standpoint.   I do think CVC needs to pull trigger on expansion once city can greenlight bonds.  To me that would give Hotels/hospitality some confidence going forward

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PostJun 09, 2020#116

The St. Louis metropolitan area recorded more construction starts in the first months of 2020 — including the pandemic — compared with many of its peers, according to new research from Dodge Data & Analytics.
For the first four months of 2020, St. Louis' construction starts for both residential and non-residential projects grew 84% to $1.7 billion compared to 2019, the data shows.
That rate of growth for 2020 far outpaced its peer cities such as:
  • Kansas City: $1.55 billion, down 39%
  • Memphis: $707.44 million, down 11%
  • Cincinnati: $1.14 billion, up 8%
That data includes declines for the month of the April due to the pandemic. Construction starts for commercial projects — including for office, retail, hotel, industrial and other non-residential — in the month of April was $60.45 million, marking a 46% year-over-year decrease in the St. Louis region. Here's how peer cities performed in April:
  • Kansas City: $269.47 million, down 81%
  • Memphis: $89.69 million, down 28%
  • Cincinnati: $131.86 million, up 21%
Nationwide, the construction industry added 464,000 jobs in May, following losses of 995,000 in April, according to an analysis by the Associated General Contractors of America.
“The huge pickup in construction employment in May is good news and probably reflects the industry’s widespread receipt of Paycheck Protection Program loans and the loosening of restrictions on business activity in some states,” AGC Chief Economist Ken Simonson said in a statement.

Meanwhile, in the city of St. Louis, the number and value of construction permits issued in the month of the May rose from April, though the figures still trail 2019's, data from the city's Building Division show.
In May, the city issued 486 construction permits worth $18.21 million compared with 609 permits valued at $53.92 million (a 66% year-over-year decline) in May 2019.

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PostJun 09, 2020#117

Permit data is really lumpy. Comparing months is dumb.

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PostJun 09, 2020#118

^ Yep, just the usual Business Journal dreck.

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PostJun 09, 2020#119

So someone is posting horrible local employment news with salivating glee yet also posting positive development news like everything is in the upswing? How can that be? That's not happening. It's over for awhile.

If you didn't already know, DBs post are politically motivated and generally should be ignored.

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PostJun 09, 2020#120

^ That was the verbatim text from the BJ article that SeattleNative asked for since they don’t have a Business Journal subscription. Nothing politically motivated about that.

I also didn’t see any “salivating” in his post regarding the hotel layoffs. It was basically a copy and paste of this Post-Dispatch article:
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 7687b.html

I don’t know what’s going on between you two, but the rest of us don’t give a sh*t.

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PostJun 09, 2020#121

His obsession with me is creepy.
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PostJul 08, 2020#122

Construction seems to be on the upswing in the Metro area according to some stats in the BJ:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... e=facebook


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PostAug 01, 2020#123

YTD $532M worth of building permits issued. All of 2019 was $621M. Looking at the applied for permits that haven't been issued, there's a good chance of topping $800M this year. The quantity is down- 2,639 permits issued YTD v 5,529 all of last year.

PostOct 07, 2020#124

Surpassed all of 2019
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PostOct 08, 2020#125

^Well, it's nice to see a record broken in a positive way for a change. :)

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