Chesterfield Mall

bwcrow1s · PostDec 22, 2020#762020-12-22T17:12+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2020
If people want an urban feel in the suburbs then I say great. It is much better than many alternatives they could have done with the land. If it draws more people to the region that then I am happy. I would rather have people in the city but Chesterfield is better than not coming at all.

That might be fine and true for me if we were sharing sales tax revenue and property tax base. And not basically paying as a region to subsidize and enable development out there. We're all paying twice as a region for development in places that don't even need to exist. In my opinion.

Of course the City is not without major, embarrassing issues. Same with the County. The point about the BoF is spot on, and maddening. I don't know what to say anymore.

jbacott · PostDec 22, 2020#772020-12-22T17:58+00:00

People act like is unique to our region. Almost all major cities have this same type of competition going on to a degree. Seattle is constantly being challenged by Bellevue, Tacoma and suburbs like Lynnwood. Dallas is in competition with Fort Worth and cities like Plano/Frisco that want to steal every business they can. Even smaller cities like Indianapolis are seeing suburbs like Fishers and Carmel trying to become an alternative to downtown. All in different counties.

In Chicago, Dupage county's whole marketing plan is basically "hey, we're not Cook County"

goat314 · PostDec 22, 2020#782020-12-22T18:03+00:00

I think this is great. We should be more embarrassed that University City can't do this type of development at Olive and I-170 than be mad at Chesterfield for having an eye to the future. Not only will this be an extremely attractive and successful development, hopefully it will inspire inner ring suburban like Richmond Heights and Maplewood to do better in terms of land use. I would like to see redevelopment plans near Metrolink Stations get this sort of investment. I like what the city is doing at the Forest Park Station, but this type of lifestyle/faux downtown center in the suburbs is becoming the norm in most metropolitan areas today. Only problem I see is that it won't be connected to the core via Metrolink because leadership has chosen to make our light rail system a political football instead of aggressively expanded it like Denver, Charlotte, and now Austin etc. This sort of development is the future. We need to get with the program and hats off to Chesterfield for seeing the bigger picture.

urban_dilettante · PostDec 22, 2020#792020-12-22T19:50+00:00

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2020
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2020
^ Chesterfield's goal is to hurt downtown development. Both Chesterfield and St. Charles think they're going to become the new St. Louis City (just without any actual "city"). It's the most insane, dysfunctional, counterproductive city/suburbs relationship in the country.
I don't think this is true at all. Chesterfield isn't doing this to hurt the city, they're just capitalizing on demand for development in their neck of the woods. What do we expect them to do? Say "No, sorry. We don't want $1B of investment in our city... you should really talk to the city instead!" That's never ever ever ever ever going to happen.

Until the city get's it's (expletive) together, it can't point fingers at the rest of the region and claim they're being insane, dysfunctional, or counterproductive by simply letting developers respond to supply/demand with these types of proposals. Would it be awesome if this was in the North side, near NGA instead? Of course. But let's not be mad at Chesterfield or St. Charles for looking to create more dense hubs of their own.

so you complain about the city pointing fingers as you point your finger at they city for not getting its sh*t together? The city shoulders the lion's share of the regions poverty and homelessness burden. meanwhile, the exurbs exist because of government subsidy and fight each other for diminishing sales taxes. amazing. god forbid anybody expect the exurban kings to work for a stronger region instead of stronger fiefdoms. Newsflash: that is the dysfunction.

Laife Fulk · PostDec 22, 2020#802020-12-22T19:54+00:00

I'm just saying those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. That one can't blame the rest of the region for the city's issues when they haven't exactly been on the ball in trying to fix their own internal ones. You pointed the finger at the region, I gave a counter argument.

urban_dilettante · PostDec 22, 2020#812020-12-22T19:58+00:00

i don't even know who "those" are. i was talking about Ehlmann and Nation, specifically, who have made it clear they're in it for their own fiefdoms and are not concerned with improving the region. i don't GAF if Chesterfield and Chuck want little walkable town squares. that's great. but by luring large employers to the exurbs they are hurting the region.

Laife Fulk · PostDec 22, 2020#822020-12-22T20:02+00:00

That's your opinion. There are many many businesses and residents who will never want to be in the city. I'd rather the region, whether it be Chesterfield, St. Charles, Clayton, etc. look to grow and keep as many residents, jobs, and momentum as it can. If a business leaves the city for this (which is all speculation at this point, we have no idea who tenants might be), then they probably were open to leaving for a new HQ outside of the city anyways. And that could be in Chesterfield, St. Charles, Chicago, Charlotte, etc.

goat314 · PostDec 22, 2020#832020-12-22T20:06+00:00

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2020
I'm just saying those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. That one can't blame the rest of the region for the city's issues when they haven't exactly been on the ball in trying to fix their own internal ones. You pointed the finger at the region, I gave a counter argument.

I agree, the city just released a new economic development this year and I don't believe the city has even had a city wide urban development since the 1940s. City leadership is just as clueless as their suburban counterparts in my opinion. The city mostly let's developers run wild and has very little coherent vision of what type of city it wants to be. Cincinnati even has a city wide form based code, let's not even talk about the progressive planning that cities like Denver, Atlanta, and even Charlotte does. It's like St. Louis still plans for failure. No bold visions, nothing for everyone to buy in to, and really no idea how to be a city of the future. Most of what St. Louis City does do successfully seems to be in spite of leaderships 1975 view of what a modern should be.

urban_dilettante · PostDec 22, 2020#842020-12-22T20:12+00:00

^ but, again, why is it ALL on the city to fix the entire metro? the city is already overburdened with it's own issues as well as issues (e.g. homelessness and poverty) that should be shared by the rest of the metro but aren't. not arguing that city government is a well-oiled machine or anything, but the city can't very well force people like Ehlmann and Nation to see the importance of a unified metro.

^^ it's really not opinion—all you have to do is compare with the distribution of employers in thriving metros. STL metro has one of the most (if not the most) sprawled employment distributions in the country. how's that working out for us?

quincunx · PostDec 22, 2020#852020-12-22T22:06+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2020
If it draws more people to the region that then I am happy. I would rather have people in the city but Chesterfield is better than not coming at all.

Will it be different this time though? In the last 50 years Stl City, County, and St. Charles have added about 2% residents. Over 60 munis in the county have fewer residents.

chriss752 · PostJul 12, 2021#862021-07-12T06:47+00:00

Citizens for Developing Downtown Chesterfield put this out in their latest newsletter.

TSG is still in the process of finalizing their plans. Drawings should be released soon. Our group is very excited about the mixed-use components of the development (and the quality being proposed); however, we have concerns about the density, especially the density of multi-family housing. TSG is proposing 3000 additional multi-family units.

TSG is very open to receiving input from our group. We have a positive working relationship with the developer. Stay tuned!

So I guess things are getting closer to the approval process for this mega project.

hebeters · PostMay 13, 2024#872024-05-13T22:17+00:00

Tesla's Storing Unsold Inventory In An Abandoned Mall Parking Lot
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-is-running-out-of-room-to-store-unsold-cars-1851473377

symphonicpoet · PostMay 14, 2024#882024-05-14T03:31+00:00

^There's a Tesla plant in town? How far we've fallen since our days of automotive glory.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostMay 14, 2024#892024-05-14T20:04+00:00

^No, only the dealership in Chesterfield Valley. They don't have the lot capacity so using mall as overflow.

symphonicpoet · PostMay 15, 2024#902024-05-15T04:58+00:00

They're shipping enough excess cars here they need overflow for a dealership? Holy crud. Still . . . how very far we really have fallen.

airforceguy1 · PostJun 04, 2024#912024-06-04T19:38+00:00

Chesterfield 'downtown' clears hurdle after city, Dillard's reach deal on lawsuit

The Chesterfield City Council voted unanimously Monday night to approve a formal agreement with Dillard's allowing it to reopen its store, closed since 2016, as a part of the mall's redevelopment. In exchange, Dillard's will drop a lawsuit it filed last year asking a judge to stop the project and bar the city from demolishing its store.
“We’re very excited to be a part of the community going forward, we’re excited to be a part of the redevelopment and I hope we’ll be a part of the community for many years to come,” Brad Binns, an attorney for Dillard's, told the council during the meeting.

The Staenberg Group is redeveloping the mall into a new, urban downtown concept, slated to include thousands of apartments, shops, offices, a hotel, plus public parks and trails. The mall redevelopment, along with a neighboring housing and retail development called Wildhorse Village, represents more than $2 billion of new development in Chesterfield, a major shopping destination in the St. Louis region and one of the wealthiest suburbs in the state of Missouri.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/business/chesterfield-downtown-clears-hurdle-after-city-dillards-reach-deal-on-lawsuit/article_d75dace4-21ea-11ef-b4e5-ebf60277039f.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

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