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From what I've heard, he's going to take on Craig Schmid's moratorium on liquor licenses.

stellar wrote:In the 50 most powerful people issue of St. Louis Magazine Steven Smith of The Royale was listed at #49...

Which pretty much tells you what a joke that list was.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

stellar wrote:In the 50 most powerful people issue of St. Louis Magazine Steven Smith of The Royale was listed at #49...

Which pretty much tells you what a joke that list was.

That seems unnecessarily mean spirited. Did you come in at #51 or something?

stellar wrote:

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:

stellar wrote:In the 50 most powerful people issue of St. Louis Magazine Steven Smith of The Royale was listed at #49...

Which pretty much tells you what a joke that list was.

That seems unnecessarily mean spirited. Did you come in at #51 or something?

Yes.

scrut, I agree, that list was definitley not the MOST influential citzens, but I still enjoyed reading it. I think if you look at it more for entertainment purposes. I did enjoy how it weighed more heavily in the City than in the County. There are a LOT of people with major bucks in st louis (ladue, clayton, frontenac) who did not make that list who are far more influential.

As for Cherokee, I only wish I had the money to rehab the entire neighborhood. The tard alderman who won't allow new liquor licenses is the biggest hinderance to the area coming back. Look at Blueberry Hill and the Loop. It was THE catalyst for the entire neighborhood - along with Joe Edwards. This hoosier-Joe Alderman equates bars with low-lifes, etc. He doesn't understand the "hip" factor that bars can bring to areas. Why else would anyone on this forum hang out on Morganford if it wasn't for Tin Can, etc. The 7-Eleven? Someone with a brain run for alderman, please.

JCity wrote:As for Cherokee, I only wish I had the money to rehab the entire neighborhood. The tard alderman who won't allow new liquor licenses is the biggest hinderance to the area coming back. Look at Blueberry Hill and the Loop. It was THE catalyst for the entire neighborhood - along with Joe Edwards. This hoosier-Joe Alderman equates bars with low-lifes, etc. He doesn't understand the "hip" factor that bars can bring to areas. Why else would anyone on this forum hang out on Morganford if it wasn't for Tin Can, etc. The 7-Eleven? Someone with a brain run for alderman, please.

Although I disagree with Alderman Craig Schmid on the liqour license issue I have to say that he is one of the more impressive aldermen to me. He doesn't have higher aspirations and isn't motivated by power. He breaks with aldermanic privlege where he genuinely disagrees. He works for the long term health of the neighborhood rather than the short term gain. I like him a lot. Galen (?), the founder of Ft. Gondo, is running against him in the next election so he will not be running unopposed.

Downtown2007 wrote:Personally I like the West of Jeff part better. More to offer in terms of mexican restaurants, grocers, bakeries, etc... The diversity creates a big city feel.

I agree. That stretch of Cherokee holds a tremendous amount of potential with most of the buildings and facades being intact. It is reminiscent of a lot of the neighborhoods in Chicago. I recently spoke with guy who owns 4 or 5 properties and apparently virtually all the buildings have been bought and as usual just waiting for someone step up.

Although I disagree with Alderman Craig Schmid on the liqour license issue I have to say that he is one of the more impressive aldermen to me. He doesn't have higher aspirations and isn't motivated by power. He breaks with aldermanic privlege where he genuinely disagrees. He works for the long term health of the neighborhood rather than the short term gain. I like him a lot. Galen (?), the founder of Ft. Gondo, is running against him in the next election so he will not be running unopposed.

Right... I'm sure he's a great guy, but his liquor moratorium is holding back the neighborhood. Has anyone else been to the corner of Sarah and Manchester? The Grove recently? Hmm.

Yesterday I was listening to a 12/18 podcast of KDHX's Collateral Damage program and they (Steve Patterson?) said that there was an election of the Cherokee business district assoc and a bunch of established members were voted out and replaced with some fresh blood. Does anyone know how this will impact the area? Can they overturn the alderman's moratorium on liquor licenses?

The key is for all of us to start/continue patronizing Cherokee. Reward the businesses that are there; help to make them successful. I think the restaraunts in particular merit patronage. I also think that if the restaraunts can achieve sufficient clout by attracting real numbers of patrons to the neighborhood, their arguments for overturning the liquor moratorium will become irresistable.



With regard to the "fledgling arts district" on Cherokee. I went to a festival type event there this summer and the police were being complete jerks. They wouldn't allow a short performance piece to be performed on the sidewalk because they said it blocked pedestrian traffic, but the only pedestrians down there were the people who had come to see the f-ing performance. It really felt like they had been paid off to make life difficult for the artists and organizers. Alderman? The positive side was that I had never seen so many people out and about down there.

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times ... the one thing St. Louis must address is its overcrowded sidewalks. The city is practically choking on pedestrian traffic. Hats off to the city troopers for looking out for our best interests.

I went down to La Tortuga for dinner last night. Amazing (and empty) as always. Anyone who likes cheap, authentic, quality Mexican food should really check that place out. Unfortunately, I haven't found it on the web anywhere, and I am so stoopid that I can't remember the cross street. But, it is in heart of the Cherokee Mexican district on the north side of the street. Marofucity, you'll be happy to know that we were able to push through the throngs and get in the door, but it wasn't easy.

TGE-ATW wrote:I went down to La Tortuga for dinner last night. Amazing (and empty) as always. Anyone who likes cheap, authentic, quality Mexican food should really check that place out. Unfortunately, I haven't found it on the web anywhere, and I am so stoopid that I can't remember the cross street. But, it is in heart of the Cherokee Mexican district on the north side of the street. Marofucity, you'll be happy to know that we were able to push through the throngs and get in the door, but it wasn't easy.

It's at 2817 Cherokee btwn Oregon and California.

Doug wrote:

markofucity wrote:If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times ... the one thing St. Louis must address is its overcrowded sidewalks. The city is practically choking on pedestrian traffic. Hats off to the city troopers for looking out for our best interests.

I know man. Whenever I am downtown doing my daily shopping routine I am assaulted by seas of pedestrians, most of which are in my way. When are we going to address our huge pedestrian problem?

From Mayor Slay's predictions for 2007:

"Cherokee Street draws more pedestrians and diners than Euclid on at least one Friday night"



Now I don't know if he is predicting a specific Friday night or just in general one random Friday. Cinco de Mayo is on a Saturday this year, but maybe festivities are planned for the whole weekend.

THere is a storefront being re-habbed one block north at Utah and Lemp? Maybe its there?

TGE-ATW wrote:THere is a storefront being re-habbed one block north at Utah and Lemp? Maybe its there?

Could be. Maybe he just meant the general area of Cherokee and Lemp and not an actual address.

Doesn't look like it. Geo says a multi family re-hab is going on. Occupancy permit issued in March. Nothing else looks to be in the works for a Schlafly (or any other bar) project in the immediate vicinity. I know why your interested though Stellar.

Unless the laws have changed or the more likely possibility that I completely misunderstand the law on this point, it is illegal for a brewer to operate a "tied house" in Missouri or anywhere else in this country. That would mean St. Louis Brewery would either have to make beer at the site -- perhaps they can get away with a real small amount made there -- or sell the competition, which seems unlikely.

TGE-ATW wrote:Doesn't look like it. Geo says a multi family re-hab is going on. Occupancy permit issued in March. Nothing else looks to be in the works for a Schlafly (or any other bar) project in the immediate vicinity. I know why your interested though Stellar.

A future microbrew pub crawl down Cherokee would be great! If anyone goes in the Tap Room on Locust and talks to the bartender (Paul I think?) find out what the story is. I asked specifically if they were going into the Lemp complex and he said "no".