320
Full MemberFull Member
320

PostApr 17, 2024#401

Work begins on Boeing aircraft assembly building for $1.8B expansion
Site work has begun for construction of an aircraft assembly building that is a part of The Boeing Co’s. $1.8 billion expansion project at its north St. Louis County operations.
Earth movers in recent days have been rumbling across the 106-acre site bounded by Interstate 170, Airport Road and James S. McDonnell Boulevard. Boeing (NYSE: BA) said site work began in the first quarter this year and estimates completion of the assembly building in 2026.

Building permits granted last December to the joint venture of Paric Corp./Barton Malow state the work to be performed as “site grading” and “footing and foundation of the Assembly Building." A notice from St. Louis Lambert International Airport says Boeing has approval for construction of an assembly building. A report prepared by the Jacobs engineering firm for the airport last year said a 979,000-square-foot aircraft assembly building would be constructed, along with an 82,000-square-foot central utility plant. What aircraft will be assembled on the land, known as the Brownleigh property, remains shrouded in secrecy, although signs indicate that it could be a sixth-generation fighter jet. Boeing declined comment Wednesday on that matter.
Boeing in July 2023 proposed a $1.8 billion expansion project that would create 500 job. The massive investment is partially contingent on Boeing winning classified Pentagon contracts.
Defense News reported that the U.S. Air Force plans to award a contract for its Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) platform this year. Boeing confirmed last year that it was competing with Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman for the contracts to build the U.S. Navy’s next-generation fighter jet program, called the F/A-XX. Companies also are vying for Pentagon contracts for potentially thousands of autonomous wingmen drones to counter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan and create a swarming effect in other conflicts.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/04/17/boeing-expansion-begins-site-work-underway.html

PostApr 23, 2024#402

Massive Boeing campus finds a buyer; sale price revealed
A Catholic media company and school has purchased a massive corporate retreat in St. Louis County, with the intention of moving its headquarters there.
Colorado-based Augustine Institute purchased the Boeing Leadership Center, the 284-acre retreat where the aerospace giant hosted corporate training for two decades until the Covid-19 pandemic, the organization said Tuesday. The campus is located at 16805 New Halls Ferry Road in unincorporated St. Louis County.

The purchase closed Monday for $19 million, the nonprofit Catholic institute said. The organization plans to use the campus to create a “national center for evangelization” in St. Louis, according to a news release. No asking price had been listed for the property, but St. Louis County appraised it at $27.5 million last year, records show. When news of the potential deal was first reported in March, Augustine Institute President Tim Gray told Catholic news organization The Pillar that the organization would pay cash for the property after it finalized donors and conducted due diligence on the site. The report from The Pillar said that the purchase could close by early May.
The transition to move the organization’s operations and theological school to the scenic wooded campus will take place over the next several years, according to the release.
The group’s headquarters and Graduate School of Theology will open at the site for the fall 2024 semester, the institute said.
The institute, founded in 2005, purchased the training campus with the intent to expand, according to the release. Its current Denver campus has no room for student housing or more enrollment at its graduate school, Gray previously said. Most of the school’s 500 students are distance education students, he told The Pillar.
Along with being a major publisher of Catholic catechetical and sacramental educational materials, the institute is a film and podcast producer and owns Catholic content streaming service formed.org, which has more than 1 million subscribers, The Pillar reported. The organization posted $28 million in revenue in the 2021-2022 fiscal year, making it one of the largest Catholic publishing and media companies in the country, according to The Pillar.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/04/23/augustine-institute-buys-boeing-leadership-center.html

340
Full MemberFull Member
340

PostApr 23, 2024#403

That place is very unique-looking. I'm glad it's getting repurposed.

Sent from my Pixel 8 using Tapatalk


85
New MemberNew Member
85

PostApr 24, 2024#404

With USAF announcing today that Boeing was not selected to move forward in the Collaborate Combat Aircraft completion (aka unmanned loyal wingman), we all better hope Boeing is selected for the NGAD competition. If Boeing loses NGAD as well, that would be a huge blow to St. Louis, and all of that planned expansion near the airport will likely be cancelled if not significantly scaled back.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

466
Full MemberFull Member
466

PostApr 25, 2024#405

billikens_19 wrote:
Apr 24, 2024
With USAF announcing today that Boeing was not selected to move forward in the Collaborate Combat Aircraft completion (aka unmanned loyal wingman), we all better hope Boeing is selected for the NGAD competition. If Boeing loses NGAD as well, that would be a huge blow to St. Louis, and all of that planned expansion near the airport will likely be cancelled if not significantly scaled back.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Somewhat shocked at this development.  The amount of money being invested in a million sq ft production facility without a contract in hand makes little sense to begin with.  The expansion was approved and construction started at breakneck speed.  Something is not adding up.

296
Full MemberFull Member
296

PostApr 25, 2024#406

How America's Military Is Falling Apart
America's military aircraft are not looking much better. A 2018 investigative report by Military Times found that “Accidents involving all of the military’s manned fighter, bomber, helicopter and cargo warplanes rose nearly 40 percent from fiscal years 2013 to 2017. It’s doubled for some aircraft, like the Navy and Marine Corps’ F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets. At least 133 service members were killed in those fiscal year 2013-2017 mishaps, according to data obtained by Military Times.”
https://indi.ca/how-americas-military-has-fallen-apart/

2,929
Life MemberLife Member
2,929

PostApr 28, 2024#407

Really hopeful for Boeing getting in on the NGAD and F/A-XX. I've heard we're competing for both, running heads-up with Lockheed-Martin for the NGAD. Lockheed-Martin has made the last two major USAF jets: the F-22 and the F-35 JSF (also USN & USMC). The Joint Strike Fighter is definitely way, way, way over-budget, both for production and maintenance costs. That helps us. Meanwhile, Northrup-Grumman is apparently all-in on the F/A-XX. Reminder that the F/A-18 was built by both Northrup-Grumman and Boeing, based in part on Northrup's XF-17 prototype for an original USAF contract that eventually went to General Dynamics' F-16 (which is now effectively part of Lockheed-Martin). Boeing partnered with them to take it to the Navy and Marines. 

Keep in mind that the US Military wants there to be multiple aerospace companies competing for business, to keep the industry healthy and viable. We have Lockheed-Martin, Northrup-Grumman, and Boeing for manned aircraft. Lockheed is still producing the F-35. Northrup is producing the B-21. It's been a while since Boeing had a contract for a brand-new, state-of-the-art contract; maybe we're due. 

Other thoughts: 
- General Atomics and Anduril are both up-and-coming drone producers. It makes sense that they're competing for drone contracts. 
- There will likely be other drone purchases for the Collaborative Combat Aircraft "loyal wingman" portion of this build-up. 
- Sixth-generation fighters are, apparently, much more easy to produce these days with advances in manufacturing technologies. The USAF has indicated that they may seek multiple 6th Gen fighters in the relative near future, much as they had the run of the "100-Series" fighters upon the adoption of jet engines once that technology became fully viable. And after all the problems with the F-35, they're not looking to write a contract for 1,000+ manned jets when they can have multiple smaller ones. 
- There's a lot we probably don't know and will just have to learn in time. 

296
Full MemberFull Member
296

PostMay 03, 2024#408

Boeing has lost $32 billion since 2019, with no end in sight. How long can it keep losing money?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/business/boeing-losses-outlook/index.html

320
Full MemberFull Member
320

PostMay 29, 2024#409

Boeing awarded $7.5B contract for St. Charles-made 'smart' bombs
The U.S. Air Force has awarded a $7.5 billion contract to The Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA) to manufacture more kits to convert bombs into “smart” munitions at its St. Charles facility.
The sole-source contract is expected to be completed by Feb. 29, 2030, with Boeing providing Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) tail kits, spare parts, repairs, technical assistance and sensor kits.

The tail kit converts unguided, free-falling bombs into guided ones through a navigational system and a global positioning system control unit. Once released from a fighter jet or bomber, the JDAM autonomously navigates to the designated target coordinates, according to the U.S. Air Force. Defense News reported that the contract comes at a time when the U.S. military is worried about its ability to stock enough munitions for its own arsenal, as well as to support allies such as Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel. Depending on how many JDAM kits are purchased by the Air Force per year, the cost ranges from about $25,000 to $84,000 each, the publication reported.
Based in Arlington, Va., Boeing Defense, Space & Security has extensive operations in the St. Louis area, including production of the F/A-18 Super Hornet and the F-15 Eagle fighter jets.
JDAM, which is a joint Air Force and U.S. Navy program, has been in production since May 1998 at Boeing’s St. Charles facility. A Boeing spokesperson declined to comment on whether the defense contractor would need to hire additional employees in St. Charles.
The $7.48 billion contract award includes funding from the Navy and $228.2 million from foreign military sales. The May 24 announcement didn’t provide details on the foreign sales.
The contract comes a month after Boeing acquired GKN Aerospace St. Louis LLC, saving about 550 jobs that would have been lost if the Hazelwood parts factory had closed at the end of this year. The purchase provided “continuity of the production and sustainment of critical parts" for the St. Louis-made F/A-18 and the F-15, Boeing said.

Site work began in the first quarter of this year for construction of an aircraft assembly building that is a part of Boeing's $1.8 billion expansion project at its north St. Louis County operations. Boeing estimates completion of the assembly building in 2026 on the 106-acre site bounded by Interstate 170, Airport Road and James S. McDonnell Boulevard.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/05/29/boeing-awarded-contract-st-charles-made-guided.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_5&cx_artPos=3#cxrecs_s

296
Full MemberFull Member
296

PostMay 31, 2024#410


12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostJun 06, 2024#411

Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 

788
Super MemberSuper Member
788

PostJun 06, 2024#412

framer wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.

1,792
Never Logs OffNever Logs Off
1,792

PostJun 06, 2024#413

flipz wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
framer wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.
This is such a dumb line of thinking.  Firstly scrubbing a flight is common.  Secondly the fact that they are scrubbing flights rather than proceeding at risk is a GOOD thing at least for and occupied spacecraft.  Cargo stuff maybe it makes sense to carry more risk.  Also while there have been setbacks and delays there have been minimal actual failures in flight.  Most issues are identified on the ground and addressed without putting personnel at risk.  The issues that affected the program  were ridiculously painful for the company but were pretty benign in the cause.  OFT 1 failed because a incorrectly set clock caused the engines to turn on too early in the flight and the craft landed safely after an automated abort.  One little thing.  Its important but it doesn't reflect the hard work people went through to make the other 99.99% of the spacecraft operate flawlessly.  The scrubbed lauch of OFT2 was driven by a valve failure which was driven by moisture in the lines making the valves fail and stick, which happened because a flight was scrubbed after cryogenic fueling of the spacecraft on a wet day and then an abort of the launch.  Procedurally they failed to inert the system post fueling allowing the water to infiltrate.  Again a little thing.  Important but not reflective of the companies overall performance on the program in any significant way.  One tiny flaw and a lot of bad luck.
A large part of the delays was driven by the fact that there are only 2 dock ports on the space station and one of those was always occupied by a "life boat capsule" which meant windows for actually launching to the station were severely limited and those windows of time being unavailable does not necessarily reflect on the companies readiness to deliver a vehicle.

If people want to fanboy for Musk that's fine.  He took a big risk with the recovery of rockets post launch that many (myself included) thought was far-fetched science fiction.  He FAILED MANY times on the way to success, losing several rockets and the occasional launch facility along the way.  Credit where its due.

If people want to question Boeing in any number of ways for I have no idea why and a near complete absence of facts and context, ok I guess that's fine to.  You do you.

But they literally just proved the thing is flight worthy.  Not only that they are literally telling you hey yeah even though we don't think its an issue but in the interest of full disclosure there is a small helium leak in our spacecraft that we are monitoring.  They don't HAVE to make this stuff public.  NASA and Boeing could sit on it in order to not feed the online trolls, antagonists and propagandists.  But they do it anyway because they want to project the values they claim to have.  In return they get some really stupid people negging on them for their trouble.

People who have no chance of ever taking the personal risk of flying on any spacecraft and have not ever had an inkling to even try to pursue such a calling sitting around saying "I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations." does rub me the wrong way.

788
Super MemberSuper Member
788

PostJun 07, 2024#414

STLEnginerd wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
flipz wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
framer wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.
This is such a dumb line of thinking.  Firstly scrubbing a flight is common.  Secondly the fact that they are scrubbing flights rather than proceeding at risk is a GOOD thing at least for and occupied spacecraft.  Cargo stuff maybe it makes sense to carry more risk.  Also while there have been setbacks and delays there have been minimal actual failures in flight.  Most issues are identified on the ground and addressed without putting personnel at risk.  The issues that affected the program  were ridiculously painful for the company but were pretty benign in the cause.  OFT 1 failed because a incorrectly set clock caused the engines to turn on too early in the flight and the craft landed safely after an automated abort.  One little thing.  Its important but it doesn't reflect the hard work people went through to make the other 99.99% of the spacecraft operate flawlessly.  The scrubbed lauch of OFT2 was driven by a valve failure which was driven by moisture in the lines making the valves fail and stick, which happened because a flight was scrubbed after cryogenic fueling of the spacecraft on a wet day and then an abort of the launch.  Procedurally they failed to inert the system post fueling allowing the water to infiltrate.  Again a little thing.  Important but not reflective of the companies overall performance on the program in any significant way.  One tiny flaw and a lot of bad luck.
A large part of the delays was driven by the fact that there are only 2 dock ports on the space station and one of those was always occupied by a "life boat capsule" which meant windows for actually launching to the station were severely limited and those windows of time being unavailable does not necessarily reflect on the companies readiness to deliver a vehicle.

If people want to fanboy for Musk that's fine.  He took a big risk with the recovery of rockets post launch that many (myself included) thought was far-fetched science fiction.  He FAILED MANY times on the way to success, losing several rockets and the occasional launch facility along the way.  Credit where its due.

If people want to question Boeing in any number of ways for I have no idea why and a near complete absence of facts and context, ok I guess that's fine to.  You do you.

But they literally just proved the thing is flight worthy.  Not only that they are literally telling you hey yeah even though we don't think its an issue but in the interest of full disclosure there is a small helium leak in our spacecraft that we are monitoring.  They don't HAVE to make this stuff public.  NASA and Boeing could sit on it in order to not feed the online trolls, antagonists and propagandists.  But they do it anyway because they want to project the values they claim to have.  In return they get some really stupid people negging on them for their trouble.

People who have no chance of ever taking the personal risk of flying on any spacecraft and have not ever had an inkling to even try to pursue such a calling sitting around saying "I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations." does rub me the wrong way.
This coping is so dumb. I never said anything about Musk but clearly you think he is doing a much better job. 
They also had a few more leaks and five thrusters fail when trying to dock.  What else have they not seen? Yes it is a test flight but figure these things out without people. Like I said, I wouldn't get on it. They are iterating way too slowly and that is why they're 7 years behind. They're basically Roscosmos. 

1,792
Never Logs OffNever Logs Off
1,792

PostJun 07, 2024#415

flipz wrote:
Jun 07, 2024
STLEnginerd wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
flipz wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.
This is such a dumb line of thinking.  Firstly scrubbing a flight is common.  Secondly the fact that they are scrubbing flights rather than proceeding at risk is a GOOD thing at least for and occupied spacecraft.  Cargo stuff maybe it makes sense to carry more risk.  Also while there have been setbacks and delays there have been minimal actual failures in flight.  Most issues are identified on the ground and addressed without putting personnel at risk.  The issues that affected the program  were ridiculously painful for the company but were pretty benign in the cause.  OFT 1 failed because a incorrectly set clock caused the engines to turn on too early in the flight and the craft landed safely after an automated abort.  One little thing.  Its important but it doesn't reflect the hard work people went through to make the other 99.99% of the spacecraft operate flawlessly.  The scrubbed lauch of OFT2 was driven by a valve failure which was driven by moisture in the lines making the valves fail and stick, which happened because a flight was scrubbed after cryogenic fueling of the spacecraft on a wet day and then an abort of the launch.  Procedurally they failed to inert the system post fueling allowing the water to infiltrate.  Again a little thing.  Important but not reflective of the companies overall performance on the program in any significant way.  One tiny flaw and a lot of bad luck.
A large part of the delays was driven by the fact that there are only 2 dock ports on the space station and one of those was always occupied by a "life boat capsule" which meant windows for actually launching to the station were severely limited and those windows of time being unavailable does not necessarily reflect on the companies readiness to deliver a vehicle.

If people want to fanboy for Musk that's fine.  He took a big risk with the recovery of rockets post launch that many (myself included) thought was far-fetched science fiction.  He FAILED MANY times on the way to success, losing several rockets and the occasional launch facility along the way.  Credit where its due.

If people want to question Boeing in any number of ways for I have no idea why and a near complete absence of facts and context, ok I guess that's fine to.  You do you.

But they literally just proved the thing is flight worthy.  Not only that they are literally telling you hey yeah even though we don't think its an issue but in the interest of full disclosure there is a small helium leak in our spacecraft that we are monitoring.  They don't HAVE to make this stuff public.  NASA and Boeing could sit on it in order to not feed the online trolls, antagonists and propagandists.  But they do it anyway because they want to project the values they claim to have.  In return they get some really stupid people negging on them for their trouble.

People who have no chance of ever taking the personal risk of flying on any spacecraft and have not ever had an inkling to even try to pursue such a calling sitting around saying "I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations." does rub me the wrong way.
This coping is so dumb. I never said anything about Musk but clearly you think he is doing a much better job. 
They also had a few more leaks and five thrusters fail when trying to dock.  What else have they not seen? Yes it is a test flight but figure these things out without people. Like I said, I wouldn't get on it. They are iterating way too slowly and that is why they're 7 years behind. They're basically Roscosmos.
When "trying" to dock?  They DID dock.  I brought up Musk only because that is the angle most comments like this go.  Whether i think he is doing a better or worse job is irrelevant to the question of whether Boeing has built an airworthy platform. I acknowledged his successes, particularly around booster recovery, which has been profound.  I also point out there have been MANY failures along the way.  Does anyone believe that crew dragon docks every time with zero issues.  Its absurd.
You wouldn't get on it.  OK,  Who asked?  What is a comment like that even about.  Lets ASSUME you would put your personal safety at risk to ride up to space in the first place.  What makes this pathway to space so unworthy of your presence?  As best i can tell your choices would be either be 1)Statistically there is not enough flight time to sufficiently assure my personal safety, 2)There is some fundamental flaw to the design that even though i haven't articulated it i just cannot abide it, or 3)I have an irrational bias against Boeing or in favor of one of the alternate means to access space.
If it #1 well then duh every spacecraft was there at one point the safety will be proven over the course of several flights.  Currently this craft has not resulted in any crew fatalities.  The first people on any spacecraft are putting their faith in the hands of people who they believe are capable, who are working very hard and are personally invested in their safety.
If it #2 then feel free to articulate what the fundamental flaw is.  Recognize that booster recovery is not a fundamental flaw that impacts crew safety.  Also recognize that any issues that so far would result in loss of crew have been identified and addressed on the ground in pre-flight checks which are what those are for.  Any failure in flight have so far safely transitioned to redundant backup systems.
If its #3 then basing your opinion on irrational bias is stupid.

Is Boeing iterating too slowly?  Sure, maybe.  They haven't really been iterating the last seven years.  They have been working some very specific issues and waiting for an open window to go to the ISS.   For the unaware who have an inkling to be fair minded, Flight tests carry a lower priority than other missions to the ISS so Boeing has had to wait for windows in NASAs schedule.  This has been a structural hurdle for them and can fairly be chalked up as just unlucky.  After this flight Starliner's missions will carry equal priority to crew dragon and well be scheduled based on capability and mission readiness.

2,929
Life MemberLife Member
2,929

PostJun 10, 2024#416

flipz wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
framer wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.
Perhaps that is why you never became an astronaut.

788
Super MemberSuper Member
788

PostJun 10, 2024#417

gone corporate wrote:
Jun 10, 2024
flipz wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
framer wrote:
Jun 06, 2024
Boeing's Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts aboard - is finally on its way to the International Space Station. It has a couple of minor leaks, but NASA says all is well. 
I don't know that I would get on that thing after so many cancellations.
Perhaps that is why you never became an astronaut.
Yes that was the only reason.

3,428
Life MemberLife Member
3,428

PostJun 15, 2024#418

Airbus is still largely owned by the governments of Germany and France. Europe wants a commercial airliner company. US calls that socialism and thinks it can fix Boeing with Congressional hearings and grandstanding.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

296
Full MemberFull Member
296

PostJun 22, 2024#419


17
New MemberNew Member
17

PostAug 13, 2024#420

Wonder how the cases with the whistleblowers will end. 32 so far. 30 left. Is it me, or there will be more?

If they can get good lawyers who specialize in this, like Oberheiden P.C., then they might have a chance against Boeing.

2,419
Life MemberLife Member
2,419

PostAug 13, 2024#421

Boeing definitely seems like it is in some trouble.

Really hoping the situation doesn't blow up on St. Louis. 

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostSep 08, 2024#422

Boeing's Starliner craft returned to Earth and made a successful landing last night (minus the astronauts). 

PostSep 13, 2024#423

Just what Boeing needs right now: A strike.

63
New MemberNew Member
63

PostOct 11, 2024#424

HUGE layoffs. Wonder how it will impact the STL operation.

977
Super MemberSuper Member
977

PostOct 11, 2024#425

South Carolina and Washington are expected to be the locations primarily impacted.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Read more posts (210 remaining)