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PostMar 05, 2024#351

Boeing is looking at selling their Leadership Campus in North County and Colorado-based Catholic institute is looking at buying it and relocating to the region.
Catholic institute, school eyes purchase of Boeing campus, relocation to St. Louis
A Colorado-based Catholic institute and school is reportedly eyeing a purchase and move to the former Boeing corporate retreat in St. Louis County.
The Augustine Institute, a theology school and publishing nonprofit organization based in Denver, is nearing a deal to purchase the site and use it to expand its school and evangelism efforts, according to a report in the Catholic news publication The Pillar. The deal could close as soon as early May, according to the report.

The nonprofit’s interest in buying the Arlington, Virginia-based aerospace company's shuttered 286-acre Boeing Leadership Center was sparked by a suggestion from the Archdiocese of St. Louis, according to the report. The training facility that once attracted thousands of Boeing (NYSE:BA) executives every year closed in March 2020 due to the Covid-19 pandemic. The facility will not reopen due to the company's change in how it conducts training to incorporate more virtual options and training closer to employees' workplaces, the company said last week. Features of the sprawling campus, at 16805 New Halls Ferry Road in unincorporated north St. Louis County, include a historic French-style chateau, a scenic overlook with views at the confluence of three rivers, a training facility with classrooms and a series of hotel-like lodges, among other amenities, according to the sales listing. No asking price is listed for the property, but St. Louis County appraised it at $27.5 million last year, records show.
Augustine Institute President Tim Gray did not immediately respond to a request for comment, and a spokeswoman for the organization said that the organization has been advised not to give further interviews due to stipulations in the purchase and sale agreement for the property. The Archdiocese of St. Louis directed questions to the Augustine Institute. Boeing declined to comment.
"Right now is a sensitive due diligence period so there is no guarantee of the purchase from either party," Augustine Institute spokeswoman Kate Sell said.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2024/03/05/augustine-institute-catholic-boeing-campus-buying.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_5&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

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PostMar 05, 2024#352

It seems like a sensible match to me and it would be great if they could get this done. I was afraid a property like this might sit for a long time, since its use is so niche.

I suppose the drawback would be the tax exemption? The benefit would be the relocation of jobs from outside the region.

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PostMar 06, 2024#353

Haven’t they been trying to sell this for awhile? I thought 5 years ago or so they put it up for sale.

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PostMar 06, 2024#354

They stopped using it during the pandemic. I’m not sure when it was actually listed for sale.

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PostMar 06, 2024#355

Not sure what this would look like, but potentially bringing academic jobs, support staff and students to this location sounds like it would be a win. The income taxes and addition of a student base would probably exceed whatever Boeing is paying in property taxes and the few jobs it generated as a retreat. 

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PostMar 06, 2024#356

Agreed. Certainly would be a win for the region, and much much better than the wackos that thought about purchasing it last year:

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/al ... s-39540009


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PostMar 07, 2024#357

Wow, that leadership campus is perfect for a cult. Hopefully they sell to somebody else.

Speaking of Boeing, They were the feature of John Oliver this week

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PostMar 07, 2024#358

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:Wow, that leadership campus is perfect for a cult. Hopefully they sell to somebody else.

Speaking of Boeing, They were the feature of John Oliver this week
That deal with the Kingdom of God Church, or whatever they were called, is no longer on the table. Boeing never considered it thankfully. That would be a scary setting indeed.

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PostMar 10, 2024#359

Paric is moving a ton of dirt along McDonnell Blvd between Airport and Scudder roads. Do we know what the plan is there?

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PostMar 10, 2024#360

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
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Paric is moving a ton of dirt along McDonnell Blvd between Airport and Scudder roads. Do we know what the plan is there?
Everything is here. https://www.flystl.com/document-portal- ... sting-info

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PostMar 11, 2024#361

Thanks. I like that phase 1 of the Brownleigh development will be so visible from 170

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PostMar 12, 2024#362

gettin good aint it? Boeing whistleblower found dead in his truck — on same day he was supposed to talk to lawyers

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PostMar 12, 2024#363

^ Peak Boeing Derangement Syndrome, tbh. While unfortunate in its timing for Boeing, there's no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that, especially now while they're under extreme scrutiny from practically every regulatory agency on the planet. Fact is, whistleblowing is extremely stressful and this was already the third day. Furthermore, the dude was sounding more and more like a whackjob with every new thing he said. It's sad, but unfortunately, it was likely an authentic suicide.

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PostMar 12, 2024#364

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^ Peak Boeing Derangement Syndrome, tbh. While unfortunate in its timing for Boeing, there's no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that, especially now while they're under extreme scrutiny from practically every regulatory agency on the planet. Fact is, whistleblowing is extremely stressful and this was already the third day. Furthermore, the dude was sounding more and more like a whackjob with every new thing he said. It's sad, but unfortunately, it was likely an authentic suicide.
Do you know anything about the history of labor relations in the US? Even if it was an “authentic suicide” was he being intimidated and terrorized by Boeing thugs?

Forgive me, but I’ll withhold giving Boeing (or any other corporation for that matter) the benefit of the doubt in these matters.

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PostMar 12, 2024#365

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
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Trololzilla wrote:
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^ Peak Boeing Derangement Syndrome, tbh. While unfortunate in its timing for Boeing, there's no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that, especially now while they're under extreme scrutiny from practically every regulatory agency on the planet. Fact is, whistleblowing is extremely stressful and this was already the third day. Furthermore, the dude was sounding more and more like a whackjob with every new thing he said. It's sad, but unfortunately, it was likely an authentic suicide.
Do you know anything about the history of labor relations in the US? Even if it was an “authentic suicide” was he being intimidated and terrorized by Boeing thugs?

Forgive me, but I’ll withhold giving Boeing (or any other corporation for that matter) the benefit of the doubt in these matters.
Geez, so you are saying you're going to assume they are guilty of at minimum involuntary manslaughter and insinuate worse until proven innocent.  That's, off the rails IMHO.

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PostMar 12, 2024#366

jshank83 wrote:
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JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
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Paric is moving a ton of dirt along McDonnell Blvd between Airport and Scudder roads. Do we know what the plan is there?
Everything is here. https://www.flystl.com/document-portal- ... sting-info
Thanks for posting the link.   The simple but effective visualizations w bullet points summed things up pretty well

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PostMar 12, 2024#367

STLEnginerd wrote:
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JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Mar 12, 2024
Trololzilla wrote:
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^ Peak Boeing Derangement Syndrome, tbh. While unfortunate in its timing for Boeing, there's no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that, especially now while they're under extreme scrutiny from practically every regulatory agency on the planet. Fact is, whistleblowing is extremely stressful and this was already the third day. Furthermore, the dude was sounding more and more like a whackjob with every new thing he said. It's sad, but unfortunately, it was likely an authentic suicide.
Do you know anything about the history of labor relations in the US? Even if it was an “authentic suicide” was he being intimidated and terrorized by Boeing thugs?

Forgive me, but I’ll withhold giving Boeing (or any other corporation for that matter) the benefit of the doubt in these matters.
Geez, so you are saying you're going to assume they are guilty of at minimum involuntary manslaughter and insinuate worse until proven innocent.  That's, off the rails IMHO.
No, I said I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt, which is clearly laid out in the post you quoted.

Boeing has an obvious and lucrative motive to see this person silenced and they should be investigated thoroughly for any role in the whistleblower’s death.

And given corporate America’s lousy track record in these matters (which is why we have the term “whistleblower” in the first place), I’m not going twist Boeing’s obvious motive here into the conclusion that “there’s no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that” as Trololzilla has suggested.

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PostMar 13, 2024#368

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Mar 12, 2024
STLEnginerd wrote:
Mar 12, 2024
JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
Mar 12, 2024

Do you know anything about the history of labor relations in the US? Even if it was an “authentic suicide” was he being intimidated and terrorized by Boeing thugs?

Forgive me, but I’ll withhold giving Boeing (or any other corporation for that matter) the benefit of the doubt in these matters.
Geez, so you are saying you're going to assume they are guilty of at minimum involuntary manslaughter and insinuate worse until proven innocent.  That's, off the rails IMHO.
No, I said I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt, which is clearly laid out in the post you quoted.

Boeing has an obvious and lucrative motive to see this person silenced and they should be investigated thoroughly for any role in the whistleblower’s death.

And given corporate America’s lousy track record in these matters (which is why we have the term “whistleblower” in the first place), I’m not going twist Boeing’s obvious motive here into the conclusion that “there’s no reason for Boeing to have done anything like that” as Trololzilla has suggested.
IMHO, literally any death should be investigated and the evidence should lead where it leads.  Persons should not imply involvement or culpability when the only evidence is motive.

Corporations are run by people and people have the capacity to do some really terrible stuff.  That does not mean that is what happened.

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PostMar 13, 2024#369

Boeing obviously cares about its bottom line a hell of a lot more than it cares about the lives of...well anyone. I'm not feeling so great about my upcoming flight on a 737.

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PostMar 15, 2024#370

Tim wrote:
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...obviously cares about its bottom line a hell of a lot more than it cares about the lives of...well anyone. 
Welcome to literally any company on the planet.

In any case, sounds like it's time to buy the dip on Boeing.

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PostMar 15, 2024#371

Or is it time to invest in the commercial aerospace manufacturer whose plains aren’t routinely falling out of the sky or having their doors blown off?

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PostMar 15, 2024#372

The reality is Boeing is too big to fail as its critical to our national security interests and the health of our economy overall. It’s a private company in name only and in many ways its extension of our government. The stock is down over 50% off its high. Count me in.

The institutional problems at Boeing are serious, but remember, their planes aren’t actually routinely falling out of the sky and some of this is just the fact that airline safety is under the microscope and we now hear about incidents we wouldn’t have visibility to in the past.

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PostMar 15, 2024#373

Boeing aircraft have had far far more accidents/incidents over the last handful of years than Airbus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... l_aircraft

If it’s so critical to our national security and economy, it should be nationalized (or at least a large portion of it).

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PostMar 15, 2024#374

"Boeing aircraft have had far far more accidents/incidents over the last handful of years than Airbus."

Handful of years doesn't sound that quantitative. The accidents on the wiki don't have root cause whether airline (maintenance, ops), pilot, or manufacturer. They also don't take into account the number of hours of Boeing platforms vs Airbus platforms etc. I'm all for ripping on Boeing.

Also keep in mind that the whistleblower who recently passed away was working at a plant that was not associated with the MAX. He was in Charleston (which manufactures the 787 Dreamliner which had wire harness issues that delayed it) and last worked with the company in 2017. I think people are conflating a lot of things. Boeing is a large lumbering stagnant company. They also aren't going anywhere and are getting into other ventures. A quick search will yield some interesting results on pieces of companies they own. There is also a little bit of recency bias similar to what happened with Flight 447 and Airbus. Boeing could probably benefit from an engineering leader rather than some business person who should be retired.

Reference to some background on the whistleblower
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703
"From 2010, he was employed as a quality manager at the North Charleston plant. The facility builds the 787 Dreamliner...."
Note the production of the 737 MAX 9 didn't start until 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX

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stlbaggins wrote:"Boeing aircraft have had far far more accidents/incidents over the last handful of years than Airbus."

Handful of years doesn't sound that quantitative. The accidents on the wiki don't have root cause whether airline (maintenance, ops), pilot, or manufacturer. They also don't take into account the number of hours of Boeing platforms vs Airbus platforms etc. I'm all for ripping on Boeing.

Also keep in mind that the whistleblower who recently passed away was working at a plant that was not associated with the MAX. He was in Charleston (which manufactures the 787 Dreamliner which had wire harness issues that delayed it) and last worked with the company in 2017. I think people are conflating a lot of things. Boeing is a large lumbering stagnant company. They also aren't going anywhere and are getting into other ventures. A quick search will yield some interesting results on pieces of companies they own. There is also a little bit of recency bias similar to what happened with Flight 447 and Airbus. Boeing could probably benefit from an engineering leader rather than some business person who should be retired.

Reference to some background on the whistleblower
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703
"From 2010, he was employed as a quality manager at the North Charleston plant. The facility builds the 787 Dreamliner...."
Note the production of the 737 MAX 9 didn't start until 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX
Thank you for bringing us a dose of reality. I would point out that:

1) Boeing has more miles flown than Airbus. In the US, it’s nearly double depending on the time period.

2) Overall incident rates continue to decline as a whole up through 2023

3) 2/3 of airplane incidents involve pilot error and not mechanical failure. I suppose you could make the case that Boeing could design planes to better minimize the likelihood of pilot error, but it’s still an important distinction.

I’m all for criticizing Boeing (and the myriad of suppliers within their network) as they are guilty of prioritizing profit over safety, but the conversation around safety statistics and the death of the whistleblower is often not based in reality.

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