Interesting that Dennis Mullenburg was named Boeing CEO yesterday. He lives in St Louis with his family as head of the Defense Division up to now. He can see productivity numbers for various plants around the country and has advocated moving work to St Louis as Fighter jet production diminishes here. Iowa State grad. He is into bicycling and led the Boeing bike ride from Forest Park to OPOP downtown for charity with his wife and kids a few years ago. He won't move the HQ here, but since his kids are in school here, I'm guessing he will keep a home here.
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^ That sounds like good news.... my hope is that Boeing brings a bigger presence to Cortex, ideally with one of those innovation centers that the company supposedly will be opening across the country (but which I haven't heard anything about in recently). I also believe Boeing does have some employees downtown and maybe there is an opportunity for more.
Nice article on an old MD design that became Boeing 717 model/workhorse. Completely wishful thinking but what if Boeing where to come back to Missouri about a St. Louis based 717 production line. I doubt that it would make sense for them to have three commercial production centers (St Louis in addition to Washington & South Carolina).
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 478d6.html
Still believe St. Louis N. Riverfront with its rail and barge access would make a great Airbus component facility to support its Mobile, AL assembly plant if they ever decided to expand North American facilities, You could put large components on a barge and off it would go to Mobile on the inland waterways with limited restrictions and one of the cheapest transportations means you will find for large shipments. Not too mention that it would essentially be ice and lock free as well as the ability to transfer to deep draft vessels if you send the barge via New Orleans (their is two inland routes from St. Louis to Mobile, AL).
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 478d6.html
Still believe St. Louis N. Riverfront with its rail and barge access would make a great Airbus component facility to support its Mobile, AL assembly plant if they ever decided to expand North American facilities, You could put large components on a barge and off it would go to Mobile on the inland waterways with limited restrictions and one of the cheapest transportations means you will find for large shipments. Not too mention that it would essentially be ice and lock free as well as the ability to transfer to deep draft vessels if you send the barge via New Orleans (their is two inland routes from St. Louis to Mobile, AL).
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Considering Boeing went to the trouble to design and build an airplane to fly large aircraft components I doubt they'd want to move to an even slower mode of transit that the traditional train line.
The only reasons to manufacture large components in multiple places is for politics and leaverage against labor.
The only reasons to manufacture large components in multiple places is for politics and leaverage against labor.
This has been pretty quiet (Shhhhh!).
Boeing expands Oklahoma City facility
WRITTEN BY ASSOCIATED PRESS POSTED: 07/29/2015, 06:05PM
Boeing expands Oklahoma City facility
WRITTEN BY ASSOCIATED PRESS POSTED: 07/29/2015, 06:05PM
Read MoreOklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin said Boeing’s growing business presence in Oklahoma City will help solidify the state’s position as a premiere destination for the aerospace industry.
“Your decision to place key leadership positions here underscores the long-term nature of our partnership,” Fallin said.
Boeing spokeswoman Jennifer C. Hogan said in an email to The Associated Press that the Aircraft Modernization and Sustainment division, which provides aircraft services for executive transport, airborne refueling, airborne command and control and global strike capabilities, is relocating from St. Louis.
Oklahoma City officials have estimated the expansion will have an economic impact of $637.7 million over four years. Earlier this year, the city agreed to $6 million in job creation incentives for Boeing.
^Surprising after all the hoops Nixon jumped through to make a bid for the new commercial aircraft facility and show Boeing how committed Missouri is to them.
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^ If I' reading that right, it was only a loss of a dozen senior managers.... not great for us for sure, and interesting that it wasn't reported much if at all locally, but Boeing has more than made up for that loss. In fact, they held the groundbreaking today for the new research facility that was announced awhile back:
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morn ... enter.html
Boeing Co. had announced in 2013 that it planned to bring up to 400 IT jobs and up to 400 research and development jobs to St. Louis County as part of a restructure of its research and technology organization.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morn ... enter.html
Boeing Co. had announced in 2013 that it planned to bring up to 400 IT jobs and up to 400 research and development jobs to St. Louis County as part of a restructure of its research and technology organization.
^ Wabash, if you go to RW Biz Journal link you will also find another story from beginning of the year. The state has already committed a pretty big chunk to Boeing to keep as well as add jobs that add up to the tune of $229 million over ten years for keeping jobs as well as adding.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morn ... souri.html
If the company adds 2,000 new jobs, a second program would provide another reward, capping at $78 million, paid over six years. Boeing also expects to get $4.9 million through a Missouri job retraining program, the newspaper reports.
The aerospace company has announced plans to add 2,000 jobs in St. Louis, including 700 new jobs to build parts for the new 777X airliner and jobs being moved here in F-22 fighter service work, information technology and research.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/morn ... souri.html
If the company adds 2,000 new jobs, a second program would provide another reward, capping at $78 million, paid over six years. Boeing also expects to get $4.9 million through a Missouri job retraining program, the newspaper reports.
The aerospace company has announced plans to add 2,000 jobs in St. Louis, including 700 new jobs to build parts for the new 777X airliner and jobs being moved here in F-22 fighter service work, information technology and research.
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Very informative and depressing take on Boeing's most recent Loss:
http://video.stltoday.com/The-Bottom-Li ... witterfeed
http://video.stltoday.com/The-Bottom-Li ... witterfeed
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/bo ... -contract/
Article out of Seattle. Definitely, as of today, not looking good for the future of Boeing in STL.
Several blame STL operations. Doesn't seem like they care for STL up there in Seattle.
Article out of Seattle. Definitely, as of today, not looking good for the future of Boeing in STL.
Several blame STL operations. Doesn't seem like they care for STL up there in Seattle.
The Boeing St. Louis management and engineering staff hasn't won a new airplane contract for over 20 years, and this result is more of the same. Boeing Seattle won the KC-46 and the P-8, both major defense developments. As a result, much of the engineering activity is moving to St. Louis, because their costs are lower.
Boeing is now trying to get and keep engineering talent by asking new grads to move to the great city (?) of St. Louis and paying them less. Yep, a real formula for success. The McDonnell Douglas heritage continues.
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Was that a reader comment? This is from the actual article:
Boeing’s defense facilities in St. Louis, where the F/A-18 and F-15 jet-fighter assembly lines will wind down in the next few years, are likely to be hardest hit.
Grant said the selection of Northrop “does cast a question over Boeing’s continued production, particularly in St. Louis, and whether Boeing will stay robust in future military aircraft development.”
Edit: Adding another scary comment:
Defense analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute said that “slowly but surely the walls are closing in on Boeing’s military aircraft operations in St. Louis.”
Boeing’s defense facilities in St. Louis, where the F/A-18 and F-15 jet-fighter assembly lines will wind down in the next few years, are likely to be hardest hit.
Grant said the selection of Northrop “does cast a question over Boeing’s continued production, particularly in St. Louis, and whether Boeing will stay robust in future military aircraft development.”
Edit: Adding another scary comment:
Defense analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute said that “slowly but surely the walls are closing in on Boeing’s military aircraft operations in St. Louis.”
Bitter Betties. They think everything production wise should be up there.DogtownBnR wrote:http://www.seattletimes.com/business/bo ... -contract/
Article out of Seattle. Definitely, as of today, not looking good for the future of Boeing in STL.
Several blame STL operations. Doesn't seem like they care for STL up there in Seattle.
Was St. Louis really going to get any work from a new bomber if Boeing got the contract?
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According to the Seattle Times article, STL is most significantly impacted, so I would assume so.
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How long do the current production lines have orders? Meaning when would it be time that there is significant impact.
I wonder if its possible some of the operations and talent could be converted locally towards commercial aircraft. Isn't that where the 777X parts personnel is coming from? Is there anything on that side in terms of potential new projects or expansions that might be upcoming?
Wouldn't any negative impacts that could occur in the coming years be less than the reduction in workforce in the 1990s?
I wonder if its possible some of the operations and talent could be converted locally towards commercial aircraft. Isn't that where the 777X parts personnel is coming from? Is there anything on that side in terms of potential new projects or expansions that might be upcoming?
Wouldn't any negative impacts that could occur in the coming years be less than the reduction in workforce in the 1990s?
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^^Roger, that was a reader comment. They always think so highly of STL and it's livability.
^^Word is, the lines are good until 2019. They've got under 4 years to figure it out.
http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-defense-j ... op-2160845
http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-defense-j ... op-2160845
The focus of cuts concentrates on St. Louis because that's where Boeing, the city's second-biggest employer, has its defense manufacturing plants.
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^ Another key graph:
Along with reduced revenues in its defense business, Boeing over the last ten years has cut its defense workforce from more than 75,000 people to just over 50,000 today. Around 15,000 of those current employees work out of the St. Louis plant. A Boeing spokesperson refused to release details of how many people it employs on the F-15 and F-18 lines, which the representative said would remain open at least until the end of the decade.
Along with reduced revenues in its defense business, Boeing over the last ten years has cut its defense workforce from more than 75,000 people to just over 50,000 today. Around 15,000 of those current employees work out of the St. Louis plant. A Boeing spokesperson refused to release details of how many people it employs on the F-15 and F-18 lines, which the representative said would remain open at least until the end of the decade.
Unless I missed it, I don't see any comments admitting the mistake of Boeing getting in to bed with Lockhead.DogtownBnR wrote:According to the Seattle Times article, STL is most significantly impacted, so I would assume so.
Plus Grumman will do most the building in California. That's a lot of muscle.
I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing buys all (or part) of Grumman.
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^I've never been more pro-Canada. The new prime minister, who was sworn in today, had reviewing and rescinding an F-35 order as part of his platform. The F-18 is a leading alternative.
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Pro-Navy, Pro-Canada... what is the world coming to!
The Boeing line in STL is looking a lot more promising than most people think.. Here's the scope.
F/A - 18
USN - FY F/A - 18 Order - 18 on order w / this year’s budget. Plus the Navy has expressed interest in procuring an additional 35 planes within next year’s fiscal budget.
Kuwait – Potential Sale of 35 – 70 Planes
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 7f254.html
Finn – Danish 24 – 36 Planes
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /28421615/
Canada – 60 Plus Planes
http://www.defenseone.com/management/20 ... 35/122976/
India – 60 Plus Planes.. Although Boeing has indicated that these would be built in India.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/business/ ... ZHMWJ.html
Bottom line the F/A-18 line is going to be around for a while.
F-15
F-15 Israel Silent Eagle – 35 A/C
http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... le-israel/
F-15 Qatar – 35 A/C
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/273400-iran- ... ks-vienna/
In my humble opinion think that the F-15 line will be around far longer than the F/A-18 lines
777X Wing Production.
There’s a total of 306 777X on order. This should keep the 777X Wing line going well into the 2020’s.
Other potential wins.
UCLAS
T-X – This should be interesting. Boeing is going to unveil a clean sheet design.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /72300372/
F/A-XX (USN )
F-XX (Air Force)
Bottom line there’s work still to be done in STL.
F/A - 18
USN - FY F/A - 18 Order - 18 on order w / this year’s budget. Plus the Navy has expressed interest in procuring an additional 35 planes within next year’s fiscal budget.
Kuwait – Potential Sale of 35 – 70 Planes
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 7f254.html
Finn – Danish 24 – 36 Planes
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /28421615/
Canada – 60 Plus Planes
http://www.defenseone.com/management/20 ... 35/122976/
India – 60 Plus Planes.. Although Boeing has indicated that these would be built in India.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/business/ ... ZHMWJ.html
Bottom line the F/A-18 line is going to be around for a while.
F-15
F-15 Israel Silent Eagle – 35 A/C
http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... le-israel/
F-15 Qatar – 35 A/C
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/273400-iran- ... ks-vienna/
In my humble opinion think that the F-15 line will be around far longer than the F/A-18 lines
777X Wing Production.
There’s a total of 306 777X on order. This should keep the 777X Wing line going well into the 2020’s.
Other potential wins.
UCLAS
T-X – This should be interesting. Boeing is going to unveil a clean sheet design.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /72300372/
F/A-XX (USN )
F-XX (Air Force)
Bottom line there’s work still to be done in STL.
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Boeing & Lockheed, have officially filed their protest, as expected.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... 1446827517
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... 1446827517
No shock, Boeing loses appeal. . . .
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... t=headline
Time to plot their next move....
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... t=headline
Time to plot their next move....