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You could also call them pinwheels. They really do look rather like pinwheels. And they're truly not quite the same as the Buddhist sun symbol and preferred badge of the autoproctoscopic set.
They look like swastikas including that top right one that is reversed.
OK, you've stumped both me and The Google.symphonicpoet wrote: preferred badge of the autoproctoscopic set.
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Intent on themselves going where the proctoscope goes. Head first, mostly. Human self-centipede. Rectal-cranial inversion.
No, that is a clue left by the Freemasons of Goodwill which leads to a secret buried treasure hoard of gently-used clothing and outdated furniture.framer:
chriss752:
They look like swastikas including that top right one that is reversed.
Exciting new parking lot taking shape where a building once stood
Next to a ....... Parking Garage
Next to a ........Transit hub
Who deserves the medal for this fantastic move?
Next to a ....... Parking Garage
Next to a ........Transit hub
Who deserves the medal for this fantastic move?
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I pass by that lot every day and had been hoping it'd become something other than parking. Sadly I should've known better. That entire stretch of Taylor is lifeless—not very pleasant to experience as a pedestrian.imran wrote: Exciting new parking lot taking shape where a building once stood
Next to a ....... Parking Garage
Next to a ........Transit hub
Who deserves the medal for this fantastic move?
Are you saying that the new STLCOP buildings aren't New York SOHO level in their ability to facilitate street life?LithiumAneurysm wrote: That entire stretch of Taylor is lifeless—not very pleasant to experience as a pedestrian.
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They've kicked this around for over 1.5 years....when i left it was going to be "contractor" parking since there is ALWAYS construction somewhere on the med campusimran wrote: Exciting new parking lot taking shape where a building once stood
Next to a ....... Parking Garage
Next to a ........Transit hub
Who deserves the medal for this fantastic move?
Campus is coming to a fork in the road with parking and cars...the street grid is at a point where it cannot handle any more peak hour traffic but its full steam ahead with a 2500 spot parking garage on the Busch Lot.
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I guess the only solution is to tear down more buildings to widen the roads then! /s
Why should it be along FPP? Smack in the middle of the largest employer in the region seems like a pretty ideal spot for it.BellaVilla wrote:The metrolink stop ought to be along FPP. But alas, what something ought to be isn't always what is easy and convenient.
On the plus and hopeful side of looking at thism. Parking surface lots are cheap too build but also very cheap to demo & easy to build once the asphalt is ripped up.. You could easily see a building pop up in future plans. Very different story if they were doing an add on to the parking garage.LithiumAneurysm wrote:I pass by that lot every day and had been hoping it'd become something other than parking. Sadly I should've known better. That entire stretch of Taylor is lifeless—not very pleasant to experience as a pedestrian.imran wrote: Exciting new parking lot taking shape where a building once stood
Next to a ....... Parking Garage
Next to a ........Transit hub
Who deserves the medal for this fantastic move?
My best friend lived at Lindell and Taylor for years and we routinely walked to the MetroLink station from there. We took Metro everywhere when he lived there. I've walked nearly up to Delmar from the station before. It's a 3-4 minute walk, tops, to FPP and Euclid, it's like 1,000 feet. It's really not that far out of the way from the rest of the CWE. Never mind the logistics of moving the mainline close enough to get to FPA in the first place.BellaVilla wrote:Because FPP is a busy and visible part of the city and a stop there better serves the CWE community as a whole. The point of taking the metro should be convenience. Walking all the way down into the bowels of the medical campus is not convenient for many, if not most, in the CWE. And if it isn't convenient they'll just drivewabash wrote:Why should it be along FPP? Smack in the middle of the largest employer in the region seems like a pretty ideal spot for it.BellaVilla wrote:The metrolink stop ought to be along FPP. But alas, what something ought to be isn't always what is easy and convenient.
My guess is the CWE station is very, very convenient for the thousands of people that use it everyday. It is the regions most used LRT station so obviously its location isn't stopping people from using it.
That's quite a contradiction.BellaVilla wrote:I've got no problem walking a half mile, or even a mile, to reach my destination. But I'm not walking a half-mile just to get on another form of transportation in a town that has made driving very convenient.sc4mayor wrote:My best friend lived at Lindell and Taylor for years and we routinely walked to the MetroLink station from there. We took Metro everywhere when he lived there. I've walked nearly up to Delmar from the station before. It's a 3-4 minute walk, tops, to FPP and Euclid, it's like 1,000 feet. It's really not that far out of the way from the rest of the CWE. Never mind the logistics of moving the mainline close enough to get to FPA in the first place.BellaVilla wrote:
Because FPP is a busy and visible part of the city and a stop there better serves the CWE community as a whole. The point of taking the metro should be convenience. Walking all the way down into the bowels of the medical campus is not convenient for many, if not most, in the CWE. And if it isn't convenient they'll just drive
My guess is the CWE station is very, very convenient for the thousands of people that use it everyday. It is the regions most used LRT station so obviously its location isn't stopping people from using it.
Kinda sounds like you'd just rather drive, so maybe stick to that. And for what it's worth, walking in a straight line down Taylor to the transit center from Lindell was far from inconvenient or difficult. It's like half a mile at most lol.
Also, the usage of the CWE station isn't anecdotal. More people use that station than any other in the system, so it's location doesn't seem to be an issue for most outside of your own personal preferences.
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BV's two takes today have both been "X sucks because it doesn't do exactly what I think it should do"sc4mayor wrote: That's quite a contradiction.
Kinda sounds like you'd just rather drive, so maybe stick to that. And for what it's worth, walking in a straight line down Taylor to the transit center from Lindell was far from inconvenient or difficult. It's like half a mile at most lol.
Also, the usage of the CWE station isn't anecdotal. More people use that station than any other in the system, so it's location doesn't seem to be an issue for most outside of your own personal preferences.
So as opposed to the existing track you would have chosen the non-existing track? Or are you proposing moving the CWE Station to FPP, which is about 50 yards into Forest Park across Kingshighway and therefore not anymore convenient to most of the CWE than the current location.BellaVilla wrote:Your anecdote aside I don't think the walk from Lindell is very convenient. I've got no problem walking a half mile, or even a mile, to reach my destination. But I'm not walking a half-mile just to get on another form of transportation in a town that has made driving very convenient. Further, choosing the existing track was terrible for the Grand station, and many of the red line stopssc4mayor wrote:My best friend lived at Lindell and Taylor for years and we routinely walked to the MetroLink station from there. We took Metro everywhere when he lived there. I've walked nearly up to Delmar from the station before. It's a 3-4 minute walk, tops, to FPP and Euclid, it's like 1,000 feet. It's really not that far out of the way from the rest of the CWE. Never mind the logistics of moving the mainline close enough to get to FPA in the first place.BellaVilla wrote: Because FPP is a busy and visible part of the city and a stop there better serves the CWE community as a whole. The point of taking the metro should be convenience. Walking all the way down into the bowels of the medical campus is not convenient for many, if not most, in the CWE. And if it isn't convenient they'll just drive
My guess is the CWE station is very, very convenient for the thousands of people that use it everyday. It is the regions most used LRT station so obviously its location isn't stopping people from using it.
Neither option really makes any sense.
Let's also keep in mind that it's less than a half mile walk to FPSE from the CWE metrolink station.
That's not entirely realistic. 1/2 mile from Chouteau & Taylor, sure. But from Manchester, or even further south in the neighborhood? That's a 15-20 minute walk easily. Even with the new Cortex Station, its still at minimum a 10 minute walk.aprice wrote: Let's also keep in mind that it's less than a half mile walk to FPSE from the CWE metrolink station.
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Yeah, I make that walk twice a day for my commute. I think the location is a good balance between the CWE, FPSE, and the med center, but I have my own bias at play too. It is worth noting that the area within FPSE which is an actual half-mile walk or less from the station (not as the crow flies) is pretty small.aprice wrote: Let's also keep in mind that it's less than a half mile walk to FPSE from the CWE metrolink station.
The real issue is that the backyard of the station along Taylor is a dead zone. If the pedestrian realm were better activated, it wouldn't feel like as long of a walk as it does from the north or south. People will tolerate longer walks if the street is activated and shaded. There's a couple of remaining opportunities for infill (that huge field next to the Couch Building and Taylor @ Duncan) but those huge garages on the east side have deadened so much street frontage that it'll take a lot of effort to ever become a welcoming environment for peds. It's unfortunate because Taylor could be a great transition street between the CWE and FPSE.
^just wanted to completely agree that the environment of a walk is almost as important as the distance when deciding to actually walk or not. I would often walk a mile and a half to work in NYC (as it would save me a subway transfer). In St. Louis I live approximately a mile and a half from work and have only walked it a couple times because it is a super depressing walk that goes through a bunch of dead zones (Soulard - Downtown).
Thanks for posting LithiumAneurysm.
I walked to the metrolink from Maryland ave yesterday to go downtown hence took that picture on my way back. As soon as you reach forest park ave, the pedestrian environment quickly deteriorates. It was particularly degrading to see people in wheelchairs deciding not to use the ADA ramps because the already narrow sidewalks had been rendered useless by careless location of streetlight bases
Pedestrian accommodation here is an afterthought - blank concrete walls, dead greenspace and parking garages, shade-less hot pavers- while SUV drivers, armored and insulated in their personal gas-guzzlers , are catered-to with priority in design - God forbid they loose a minute of time on their way to the next highway ramp.
WALKABILITY IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN MEASURED DISTANCE. Token efforts aside, St Louis as a whole has yet to learn to respect or care about pedestrians who already are more vulnerable to the weather, noise and pollution. They need more consideration than cars, not less.
Unless you have walked an unfriendly stretch like this, it will be hard for you to understand.
I walked to the metrolink from Maryland ave yesterday to go downtown hence took that picture on my way back. As soon as you reach forest park ave, the pedestrian environment quickly deteriorates. It was particularly degrading to see people in wheelchairs deciding not to use the ADA ramps because the already narrow sidewalks had been rendered useless by careless location of streetlight bases
Pedestrian accommodation here is an afterthought - blank concrete walls, dead greenspace and parking garages, shade-less hot pavers- while SUV drivers, armored and insulated in their personal gas-guzzlers , are catered-to with priority in design - God forbid they loose a minute of time on their way to the next highway ramp.
WALKABILITY IS ABOUT SO MUCH MORE THAN MEASURED DISTANCE. Token efforts aside, St Louis as a whole has yet to learn to respect or care about pedestrians who already are more vulnerable to the weather, noise and pollution. They need more consideration than cars, not less.
Unless you have walked an unfriendly stretch like this, it will be hard for you to understand.
Okay??? I don't see how changes anything. I'm saying that it's not a black hole south of the CWE Station. You're grasping for arguments right now.BellaVilla wrote:Which is a product of good fortune, not good planning.aprice wrote:Let's also keep in mind that it's less than a half mile walk to FPSE from the CWE metrolink station.