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PostOct 11, 2007#2551

Looks like Pujols 5 wants to be a tenant in BPV per Joe Whittington.



Quick steps up to breast milk project

By Joe Whittington

SPECIAL TO THE POST-DISPATCH

10/11/2007



PUJOLS ON DECK: It seems the next Pujols 5 will have to wait for Ballpark Village, but in the meantime the Hanon family, father Patrick and son David, will have the Plaza Grill and Restaurant to keep them busy.



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When asked why he wasn't making the place another Albert Pujols spot, he said, "You know, there is a place called Ballpark Village, and they're moving around a little dirt."



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PostOct 11, 2007#2552

The blatant disconnect between the Headline and the snip you've posted definitely threw me for one.

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PostOct 11, 2007#2553

^I thought about making it obvious that they didn't go together, but I decided it would be more fun to just leave it alone.

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PostOct 16, 2007#2554

Am I the only one concerned there is still no news on groundbreaking?

It was 2 months ago, at their last press conference, when the DeWitts

said they expected bonds to be sold in 30-60 days. Well, we are past

the long range guess they gave us. I've only known about this forum

for about a month, but there seems to be a lot of insider knowledge

here. Anyone know of any news to come out soon?

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PostOct 16, 2007#2555

I'm not concerned in the least until December, and still not really until about March. I'm giving them quite the benefit of the doubt there, but I'm quite familiar with delays in projects. The bonds were in a 60 to 90 day time frame, so there is still a little time.

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PostOct 17, 2007#2556

Im sure the deal with Centene totally destroyed their established time frame from before, which I'm allright with. Centene buying two blocks essentially changes the entire layout of this property, including the "park" that was going to be in the middle, which will now has Centene Center on top of it. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire project started construction at the same time as Centene Center. It's going to be very cool to see so much concentrated construction work downtown!

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PostOct 17, 2007#2557

I didnt see it mentioned, but is Centenne going to use the same architect to design their building at BPV that they used in Clayton? I wonder if Cordish will have any influence on what Centenne decides for their design?

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PostOct 18, 2007#2558

I found this blurb from an article on condos surrounding new baseball stadiums interesting.


Following the Padres’ lead, the St. Louis Cardinals began work this summer on Ballpark Village, a 9-acre mixed-use development abutting the current Busch Stadium, by HOK Sport, which opened in 2006. The first phase of the $650 million project, designed by Beyer Blinder Belle, will include a 30-story retail, office, and residential tower with 250 condos, many of which will overlook left field. “It may not be for everybody, but for Cardinals fans, it will be the coolest thing in the world,” says Bill DeWitt III, vice president of business development for the team, which partnered with developer Cordish Company on the project.


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PostOct 18, 2007#2559

That would certainly do a good job of explaining our mystery tower in Centene's model.

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PostOct 18, 2007#2560

brickandmortar wrote:I found this blurb from an article on condos surrounding new baseball stadiums interesting.


Following the Padres’ lead, the St. Louis Cardinals began work this summer on Ballpark Village, a 9-acre mixed-use development abutting the current Busch Stadium, by HOK Sport, which opened in 2006. The first phase of the $650 million project, designed by Beyer Blinder Belle, will include a 30-story retail, office, and residential tower with 250 condos, many of which will overlook left field. “It may not be for everybody, but for Cardinals fans, it will be the coolest thing in the world,” says Bill DeWitt III, vice president of business development for the team, which partnered with developer Cordish Company on the project.


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Hmm, that would suggest to me a fat building as opposed to slim. 30 stories is not a lot to fit 250 condos, a hotel, AND office. If you figure 10 condos/floor (which I think is reasonable), you're already at 25 stories just for the condo portion. If you add a couple of floors for office and let's say 10 floors for hotel, you're pushing 40 stories not 30.



Good find, although, I wonder if this comment was made prior to Centene's announcement.

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PostOct 18, 2007#2561

Following the Padres’ lead, the St. Louis Cardinals began work this summer on Ballpark Village...


Um, er, does this not suggest to some that said article is, oh, maybe just a tad out of date and inaccurate?

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PostOct 18, 2007#2562

^ Well, "began work" is pretty vague. I'm sure they did a lot of work regarding Ballpark Village in the summer and continue to do so.

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PostOct 18, 2007#2563

I think not. The rendering in the linked article looks suspiciously like the "before anyone ever heard of Centene" rendering. I submit that this article is GIGO.

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PostOct 18, 2007#2564

It is no doubt out of date, but it was just published on the 11th, so the quote may be a little newer. It also says the condos are part of it, so that would have to be after the state tax credits were approved. Fairly recent, but still before Centene. All speculation until we see actual plans.



There was also some site work over the summer. Drilling for ground conditions as well as phase 1 environmental testing. So it is not technically wrong.

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PostOct 19, 2007#2565

I thought about it before I posted it. I thought the same thing with the quote being right since I had never heard of that architect designing BPV. Then again I don't have the time to go through the last 50 pages on this thread. I swear I've read most of them... 8)

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PostOct 22, 2007#2566

Thursday October 11 2007

DISPATCH :: Moving downtown

Patrick W. Rollens Associate Editor







ST. LOUIS | Centene Corp., a health insurance management company based in Clayton, Missouri, has announced plans to relocate its corporate headquarters to a $250 million office development in the city’s Ballpark Village.



Dubbed Centene Centre, the project will be the first new Class A office constructed in St. Louis proper in 20 years. Two skyscrapers will add as much as 1.2 million square feet to the CBD's portfolio, and the project's importance has everyone energized, to say the least.



“It’s thrilling to me, because it’s such a high-visibility urban project that’s happening in a fabulous location,” says Cassandra Francis, a senior vice president with Chicago-based US Equities. “It’s actually the kind of project that we at US Equities love to get involved in.”



Francis’ firm is partnering with Overland, Missouri-based Clayco and Centene to form BW Development. The multifaceted venture will construct and lease the office and retail space. Both Clayco and US Equities responded to an initial request-for-proposal from Centene, and they ended up joining forces for the historic project.



“We were able to build a very strong partnership with Clayco quickly because our firms are very similar in our outlook and philosophy,” she explains.



The project will occupy two blocks in the Cordish Co.’s Ballpark Village development and generate about 1,200 jobs for St. Louis. BW Development will purchase the plot outright from Cordish prior to construction.



As expected, tax abatements played heavily into Centene’s decision to relocate downtown. According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the city assembled a $78 million incentives package; more is promised from state and federal agencies.



“Centene will be the largest employer to move its headquarters into the city in decades—maybe as long as 50 years,” said St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay in a media release. “We will look back on this move as a tipping point for downtown.”



The first phase of Centene Centre will be a 27-story tower totaling about 700,000 square feet and anchored by Centene’s 400,000 square foot lease. A second tower, planned at 500,000 square feet, will be developed subsequently.



Downtown St. Louis most recently recorded 151,000 square feet of negative absorption in the second quarter of 2007, according to a market report by Colliers Turley Martin Tucker. It remains to be seen how the market will embrace this new project. Rents in the CBD are among the metro’s lowest, averaging just $19 per square foot.



Francis says BW Development hopes to break ground by early 2008 and allow for tenant occupancy by 2010.



“That’s a very tight schedule, but we really want to get Centene into their space as quickly as possible,” she says.



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PostOct 22, 2007#2567

^

So Clayco is back in the fray?

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PostOct 22, 2007#2568

^With Centene Centre though, not the Ballpark Village.

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PostOct 22, 2007#2569

Arch City wrote:^With Centene Centre though, not the Ballpark Village.


Gotcha. Thanks.

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PostOct 22, 2007#2570

With Centene Centre though, not the Ballpark Village


The Centene building in on Block Seven of the Ballpark Village site.

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PostOct 22, 2007#2571

publiceye wrote:The Centene building in (is) on Block Seven of the Ballpark Village site.
Yeah, but the projects are different. Clayco is not involved with the Ballpark Village project (Cordish's development). Clayco is involved with the Centene Centre development, which is in the Ballpark Village.

PostOct 22, 2007#2572

BTW, what is the amount we are now looking at in regards to the development of this site? Is Cordish's piece still $650-million?



If so, and the Centene Centre project is $250-million, we're looking at $900-million worth of development at this location.

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PostOct 22, 2007#2573

cannot wait to the start construction.

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PostOct 22, 2007#2574

Arch City wrote:BTW, what is the amount we are now looking at in regards to the development of this site? Is Cordish's piece still $650-million?



If so, and the Centene Centre project is $250-million, we're looking at $900-million worth of development at this location.
I am sure that a good chunk (read: most) of that $250M is included in, i.e. a replacement for, parts of Phase 1 and future phases of the original $650M BPV proposal. They have already stated that this is the case with the retail portion of Centene Centre. Furthermore, if Cordish were to develop an office building in Phase 2 of BPV, it would actually be competing with Centene Centre for space, unless of course Cordish waited until after both phases were filled (2015, at least). While the Centene Centre commitment certainly makes it more likely that there will be more than $650M worth of development on the overall BPV site, it is still not guaranteed.



All in all, the Centene announcement is just a complicated way of saying that Centene, U.S. Equities, and Clayco are now partnering, and thus sharing the risk, with Cordish and the Cardinals on completing the original BPV proposal. I would not be surprised if a similar deal were announced soon for much of the residential and/or hospitality portions of BPV, leaving Cordish and the Cardinals with responsibility for only the retail and entertainment.



BTW, didn't Cordish say they were going to make an announcement on a few of the major retail tenants "soon", like, 4 months ago or so?

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PostOct 26, 2007#2575

Hot dog with that?



Armstrong Teasdale is giving serious consideration to relocating its offices from the Metropolitan Square building to Ballpark Village. The law firm, the third largest in St. Louis with 186 local attorneys, has been in the market for months, looking downtown and in Clayton for about 100,000 square feet of office space. A move to Ballpark Village would put the firm a baseball's toss away from one of its biggest clients, Centene Corp. Michael Chivell is managing partner and chief executive at the law firm, which had revenue of $110 million in 2006.


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