^Upscale hotels generally have soft openings to train staff and uncover any deficiencies. A January soft opening, with an Opening Day event "opening" would make a lot more sense. Will have to check back and see when they start taking reservations...
The plan is to try and have the Loews open before the NHL AllStar weekend which is January 24-26 2020.
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My humble opinion is that the pennant pwc building isn’t bad but it’s a bit too stoutly short I’m kind of wishing maybe 200 ft would of been better in height however the overall project is definitely a plus and I give it a 8 out of 10 hopefully phase 3 will be a surprise in a good way
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^ I think Mayor alluded to it earlier. The dynamics and appearances changes when you put a tall slender office tower behind and reaching above PWC and Loews for BPV phase III. I hope they do it as it seems or better put as my very speculative thought that Cordish/DeWitt might have under estimated the market and maybe kicking themselves for not having a couple more floors added to PWC if it is indeed fully leased
The stepped pattern makes sense in terms of aesthetics and a masterplan. The current office building has final negotiations ongoing for the remainder of the building's space. Nick Benjamin alluded to it around the time of the topping off. I believe that Cordish/Cardinals aren't kicking themselves. They see this as a win as the office building was really a "testing the waters" part of the development. I am pretty sure that they weren't sure if it was going to be successful or not at first due to high vacancy rates in Downtown. So I do believe that another office building is in design as we type on this board because of the success of the PwC Pennant Building. How tall it will remain a mystery but I could see them doing 8 floors of office space over the existing 4. So we would be looking at a 15-floor building (with parking) if so. I hope I am wrong, as in I hope they will go taller but I understand the concerns of Downtown vacancy rates and the pending redevelopment of the AT&T Building that will surely bring renovated office space to Downtown in addition to an anchor tenant.dredger wrote:^ I think Mayor alluded to it earlier. The dynamics and appearances changes when you put a tall slender office tower behind and reaching above PWC and Loews for BPV phase III. I hope they do it as it seems or better put as my very speculative thought that Cordish/DeWitt might have under estimated the market and maybe kicking themselves for not having a couple more floors added to PWC if it is indeed fully leased
If AT&T moves forward without an anchor tenant (which I doubt that it would) then it would set back a Phase 3 office tower at Ballpark Village. Of course, AT&T and Railway being empty didn't stop Cordish and the Cardinals from building this but PwC was basically the anchor tenant from the day Phase 2 was unveiled. PwC's John Tvirdik said that at the topping off ceremony.
On another note, one the Loews precast concrete panels appear to be chipped. They could fix it. Also, some glass is going onto Loews on the Northern side. Some other glass is wrapped up along Clark for the hotel.
I think they should move forward with residential.chriss752 wrote:The stepped pattern makes sense in terms of aesthetics and a masterplan. The current office building has final negotiations ongoing for the remainder of the building's space. Nick Benjamin alluded to it around the time of the topping off. I believe that Cordish/Cardinals aren't kicking themselves. They see this as a win as the office building was really a "testing the waters" part of the development. I am pretty sure that they weren't sure if it was going to be successful or not at first due to high vacancy rates in Downtown. So I do believe that another office building is in design as we type on this board because of the success of the PwC Pennant Building. How tall it will remain a mystery but I could see them doing 8 floors of office space over the existing 4. So we would be looking at a 15-floor building (with parking) if so. I hope I am wrong, as in I hope they will go taller but I understand the concerns of Downtown vacancy rates and the pending redevelopment of the AT&T Building that will surely bring renovated office space to Downtown in addition to an anchor tenant.dredger wrote:^ I think Mayor alluded to it earlier. The dynamics and appearances changes when you put a tall slender office tower behind and reaching above PWC and Loews for BPV phase III. I hope they do it as it seems or better put as my very speculative thought that Cordish/DeWitt might have under estimated the market and maybe kicking themselves for not having a couple more floors added to PWC if it is indeed fully leased
If AT&T moves forward without an anchor tenant (which I doubt that it would) then it would set back a Phase 3 office tower at Ballpark Village. Of course, AT&T and Railway being empty didn't stop Cordish and the Cardinals from building this but PwC was basically the anchor tenant from the day Phase 2 was unveiled. PwC's John Tvirdik said that at the topping off ceremony.
On another note, one the Loews precast concrete panels appear to be chipped. They could fix it. Also, some glass is going onto Loews on the Northern side. Some other glass is wrapped up along Clark for the hotel.
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A Two Cardinal Way is planned so more residential is in the works.goat314 wrote:
I think they should move forward with residential.
^ I can hear it now...
BPV bar patron to potential pickup, "Hey, I live here, do you want to come upstairs and see the view?"
"Oh really? Do you live in number One or in number Two?"
"Uh..."
BPV bar patron to potential pickup, "Hey, I live here, do you want to come upstairs and see the view?"
"Oh really? Do you live in number One or in number Two?"
"Uh..."
Biz Journals reporting that Met Square picked up a couple more tenants and owners plan a few more upgrades. Not sure how much space and who as story behind pay wall.
Would like to see Cupples X break ground but if BPV picks up an anchor tenant and can break ground for phase III 15-20 story office tower and ATT has secured a tenant as well would be great news for downtown and the region.. Hard to believe that something is not going on behind the scenes concerning ATT but who knows. My check book is happy that I got enough to cover my mortgage. Maybe some day I can think about buying a +40 story office tower for the heck of it.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Would like to see Cupples X break ground but if BPV picks up an anchor tenant and can break ground for phase III 15-20 story office tower and ATT has secured a tenant as well would be great news for downtown and the region.. Hard to believe that something is not going on behind the scenes concerning ATT but who knows. My check book is happy that I got enough to cover my mortgage. Maybe some day I can think about buying a +40 story office tower for the heck of it.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
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FGM Architects and NGK Law Firm are both leaving 10 S. Broadway for One Met Square, 10,000 square feet and 6,000 square feet, respectively,
Building is 75% leased. New concept is top floor lounge.
FGM Architects and NGK Law Firm are both leaving 10 S. Broadway for One Met Square, 10,000 square feet and 6,000 square feet, respectively,
Building is 75% leased. New concept is top floor lounge.
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Would that be a top floor lounge that anyone could go to, or just employees within the building?
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A while back there were some renderings released of a 24-story tall office building to what appears to be just north of the current office building. The NextSTL article, which is actually written by the guy who started this thread, said that the building would contain 100,000 square feet of office space along with a 220 key hotel. Anyway, this stood out to me because of its height and its design, and I'm new to this site so I'm sure you all have talked about it already. I just thought I should mention it because there was talk about an additional tall office building as a part of a future phase of BPV.
Heres the article if any of you haven't seen it: https://nextstl.com/2016/10/ballpark-vi ... use-tower/
Heres the article if any of you haven't seen it: https://nextstl.com/2016/10/ballpark-vi ... use-tower/
This was before they brought in the Loews hotel, I could see a office building just not with a hotel mix with it. There could be a office/mixed used tower just not with the over population of the hotel market right now.
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I'd love to see a building of similar height or taller. We have seen from Phase II that there is a market with the PWC Pennant Building. Now I want to see something like what Clayton is getting, a new glassy high-rise.
There is no reason any phase 3 tower has to be single use. I could see a new tower being a mix of office and residential to give it some height.
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That would be lovely as well! I just want a little height to the structure 250 feet plus. In a KMOX interview with Nick Benjamin, Cordish Companies’ Vice President, Benjamin spoke about how there is a market for a second residential tower (Chris mentioned it as well earlier). I am torn on whether I'd rather see one building rising 600 feet or two 300 foot towers.
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That's an easy choice for me.
These lots have sat vacant since winter '05. Give me the 600 foot tall tower and I can wait a few more years for additional towers.
I would hope that a project like that would work as a beacon for St. Louis' resurgence, and would result in some of those lots around the stadium, like Cupples X, also getting developed.
I can't wait for the day the sea of lots along I-64 are gone and replaced with buildings.
These lots have sat vacant since winter '05. Give me the 600 foot tall tower and I can wait a few more years for additional towers.
I would hope that a project like that would work as a beacon for St. Louis' resurgence, and would result in some of those lots around the stadium, like Cupples X, also getting developed.
I can't wait for the day the sea of lots along I-64 are gone and replaced with buildings.
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Can we remember this old plan for Ball Park Village for a second? The northeast tower would stand approximately 410 feet if built followed by the one west of it standing at 360 feet. Then you would have One Cardinal Way south of both to complete the trio. Next, include a 600-foot office tower with 2000 new employees plus the residents of the other towers and you have yourself a completely new downtown. I remain optimistic with what BPV Phase III has to offer; I think it's going to be good. Maybe no that good, but still enough to change the city.
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Well one cardinal way will be close to 340 ft tall I’m thinking phase 3 could be the most aggressive and expensive and I don’t see why it wouldn’t include the tallest building to be built downtown since the Eagleton building
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The way phase 2 is developing it does seem like a lot like the original plan. So maybe we can expect the tallest tower on the Northeast lot and a similar sized tower in the middle lot. The Northwest lot will probably be similar in size to the Pennant building (maybe slightly taller?). That positioning actually makes since, because the clearest views into the stadium and of the arch will be had from the Northeast lot. What do you think Chris?
I don’t think it will be like the original plan. In all honesty, they’ll go with demand. It’s hard for me to tell though. An updated master plan that I was showed shows a building just slightly taller than One Cardinal Way on the Northeast lot. The center lot appeared to be no more than 250FT and the lot behind the Pennant Building looked to be around 225FT. This was a few months ago so plans could change but I don’t see the plans being like the original intention.goat314 wrote:The way phase 2 is developing it does seem like a lot like the original plan. So maybe we can expect the tallest tower on the Northeast lot and a similar sized tower in the middle lot. The Northwest lot will probably be similar in size to the Pennant building (maybe slightly taller?). That positioning actually makes since, because the clearest views into the stadium and of the arch will be had from the Northeast lot. What do you think Chris?
St. Louis' skyline is so stubby that a few buildings within the 200-300 ft range will likely still have a noticeable effect on the skyline. I'm guessing the building on the Northeast lot will be around a 400 footer then.chriss752 wrote:I don’t think it will be like the original plan. In all honesty, they’ll go with demand. It’s hard for me to tell though. An updated master plan that I was showed shows a building just slightly taller than One Cardinal Way on the Northeast lot. The center lot appeared to be no more than 250FT and the lot behind the Pennant Building looked to be around 225FT. This was a few months ago so plans could change but I don’t see the plans being like the original intention.goat314 wrote:The way phase 2 is developing it does seem like a lot like the original plan. So maybe we can expect the tallest tower on the Northeast lot and a similar sized tower in the middle lot. The Northwest lot will probably be similar in size to the Pennant building (maybe slightly taller?). That positioning actually makes since, because the clearest views into the stadium and of the arch will be had from the Northeast lot. What do you think Chris?
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That is amazing news, Chris! Do you happen to know the composition of the buildings? Are the northeast and center lots residential while the northwest is office or another way around? If you cant disclose that's perfectly fine aswell, we'll understandchriss752 wrote:I don’t think it will be like the original plan. In all honesty, they’ll go with demand. It’s hard for me to tell though. An updated master plan that I was showed shows a building just slightly taller than One Cardinal Way on the Northeast lot. The center lot appeared to be no more than 250FT and the lot behind the Pennant Building looked to be around 225FT. This was a few months ago so plans could change but I don’t see the plans being like the original intention.goat314 wrote:The way phase 2 is developing it does seem like a lot like the original plan. So maybe we can expect the tallest tower on the Northeast lot and a similar sized tower in the middle lot. The Northwest lot will probably be similar in size to the Pennant building (maybe slightly taller?). That positioning actually makes since, because the clearest views into the stadium and of the arch will be had from the Northeast lot. What do you think Chris?
I'd be disappointed with anything less than 400' on the Northeast lot. That's the place to really make a mark on the skyline.
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As much as I love our skyline I dislike it. The Arch is the only saving grace other than that I feel like our skyline is highly underwhelming. We just don’t have the “IT” type of skyline just looks like our skyline has been manipulated. Hopefully one Cardinal way and the rest of the phases of BPV will change that. What I mean by that is there’s no real clear angles to take good photos except for the obvious same areas.
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