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PostNov 06, 2007#26

Shimmy wrote:Personally, I think the place looks great. I guess I'm not looking for a Gehry design or anything.


Neither am I. I used to hate Gehry but I was looking at a book with his collected works today (most of which I thought was complete tripe) but I found a project he worked on in which he was very restricted by officials in Boston. Granted, this was a remodel of historic building but I think we could really use some cool modern architecture that does not intend to impete or outshine the buildings around them. I dont know if anyone agrees with this, but I just really like what he did here.




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PostNov 06, 2007#27

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Like others, I'm not crazy about the hipped roofs along the sides. It's funny -- in suburban developments hipped roofs are definitely classier, and more expensive, than a simple gable or flat roof. But in the urban context they look like a design cop-out.


That was my first reaction as well, but I noticed that a few homes in the area have a 1/2 3rd story with basically a similar roof and the churches in the area have large sloped roofs as well. I used the think they just added these in the burbs for style, but I'm guessing they need the space for something (AC, electrical, ? . . .) since they show up everywhere. The stepped back roof near the turret will help the look and with the building being as tall as it is I imagine that you won't be able to see the roof unless you're a block or more away. I'm actually impressed by the detail on the north facade considering this will face I-64 and an office building. I would have expected a blank cement block wall! Also, the parking garage is well done with the mid-block entry-exit and having it covered/disguised instead of occupying a corner. 201 apartments is huge. Many are going to be small, 700-1000 sq ft, but this should add ~400 residents to this corner of the Grove!

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PostNov 06, 2007#28

^ True enough.. a lot of the roof design concerns won't be visible from the sidewalk or even the other side of the street. And it does look to have good detailing at the street level. And I do like the balcony setbacks, especially the 4th floor. Overall it's very good.

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PostNov 06, 2007#29

wheelscomp wrote:
Shimmy wrote:Personally, I think the place looks great. I guess I'm not looking for a Gehry design or anything.






This is a great building by the way - very visible (and memorable) in Boston. I like the reinterpretation of an historic building. It would be cool to see a stainless steel cornice or some other redo on a building here - not every historic building needs to be renovation back to a time in the past.

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PostNov 06, 2007#30

Stunning!

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PostNov 06, 2007#31

First picture: good.



Subsequent pictures: vomit.

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PostNov 06, 2007#32

The first picture looks good because the corner of the building is different, and has interesting design elements, whereas the rest of the building resembles a sprawltastic hotel.

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PostNov 06, 2007#33

I didn't think so many people would be mesmerized by a pretty drawing! You know they're all the same building, right? Of course you do . . . Anyway, the northside is really a throw-away. No one's going to see it. I'm really impressed with the amount of brick on the west elevation. Again, from the street this is going to look great.

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PostNov 10, 2007#34

From the Natural Gas Storage Tank in FPSE thread.
publiceye wrote:From MayorSlay.com: Action by the Planning Commission this week, zoning changes recommended to the Board of Aldermen:


Chouteau/Taylor: Industrial to Local Business. This property, in the Forest Park Southeast neighborhood, was formerly owned by Laclede Gas Company and is memorable for a large gas storage tank that was visible from I-64. Laclede owned the entire northern frontage of Chouteau between Newstead and Taylor. The eastern half of the property is being purchased by Saaman Development for the construction of new townhomes; the western half is being purchased for apartments and retail by the same Texas company currently redeveloping the Salad Bowl property on Lindell. The rezoning will permit residential development on this site, but will also allow neighborhood-based commercial uses.


http://www.mayorslay.com/desk/display.asp?deskID=841

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PostJan 29, 2008#35

Anything new on this?

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PostAug 25, 2008#36

I haven't heard anything on this in a while, but there were two guys taking some measurements of the site this morning.

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PostAug 25, 2008#37

I've been told that this is still moving forward, meaning I guess that it hasn't been officially cancelled. Same is true for the project at West Pine/Euclid.

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PostAug 26, 2008#38

I believe several of these projects in the area were waiting for the completion of the Kingshighway Interchange before proceeding.



Because of the design-build process no one knew what the actual final product from Mo-Dot was gong to be, well, until now.

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PostSep 02, 2008#39

Someone with what appeared to be a siteplan (large sheet of paper with boundary lines) was stepping off the site and checking marks at Chouteau/Taylor this morning. Unfortunately I was heading for the Metro and didn't have time to stop.

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PostSep 03, 2008#40

There was a drill there tonight for taking core samples. Looks like that combined with Grover's comments may signal some movement on this.

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PostOct 03, 2008#41

There was a bulldozer on the site last week... Also some people from Wash U. (they own the building across Chouteau) were looking at the site.

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PostOct 03, 2008#42

I noticed some environmental drilling as well. Don't know if any of this actually means anything.

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PostOct 31, 2008#43

Hey all. I got some new info on this on the other day and posted it on my blog. I'm to lazy to reword it for the boards, so here is the story in full:


Last October a pair of big projects were announced for the northern section of the Forest Park Southeast (The Grove) neighborhood. One was to be developed by Jerry King of Citirama fame (Gaslight Square) and the other by Saaman. I was as excited as the next guy about these projects, but following the collapse of Saaman and the continual silence about the projects I just assumed they were dead like so many others. Turns out I was wrong.



Both of these developments centered along the 4400 block of Chouteau. The project that was to be built by Saaman on the former site of the Gasometer is, in fact, dead. It would have been located at the intersection of Newstead and Chouteau, and would have consisted of 28 market rate town homes starting in the 200’s. The land the project was to sit on is currently for sale.



However, Jerry King’s project, coined Station G, is very much alive. This project will be built at the corner of Taylor and Choueatu, just to the south of Highway 40 and Barnes-Jewish Hospital. Jerry recently unveiled updated plans for this 200+ unit mixed-use development. Here are a few bullet points on the project:



* Units on the Chouteau side will be live/work units at the ground level. The first two stories along this section front close to the street, then step back to a third story, and finally step back to a fourth.

* This terried effect will also apply to the Taylor side, but the ground level will not be live/work.

* The remaing residential units will be market rate one, two and three bedroom apartments.

* An additional 5000-8000 sq ft will also be set aside as retail-only space.

* Parking will include a 350+ car garage specific to the development.



Construction materials are estimated to be 85% brick veneer with remaining percentage being EIFS or stucco. The residential and commercial elements of the project are designed in such a way that they act as a sort of cladding for the parking garage with it entrance off Chouteau (centered in that front). The exposed portion of the garage will be cast-in-place concrete with brick cladding and and brick cladded towers on the ends.



In addition to the larger Station G project, the pumphouse for the old Gasometer, which was recently added to the National Historic Register, will also be developed. It is set to be turned into five condos, but this segment of the project will have to wait until the sale market improves. There is also talk (just talk for the moment) of making Chouteau into a divided greenway throughout the neighborhood. This greenway would help beautify the area as well as better connect it to the new City Park going in at the corner of Newstead and Choueatu.



No word yet on when the project could break ground. Financing is tricky to get at the moment, but with their proximity to the hospital and Washington University they will hopefully find a backer. As for who is involved in this project, Jerry King will not be the developer for the apartment building, he will only be the developer of the old pumphouse. I assume he is involved in some sort of advisory role in the rest, but the apartment project will be designed by BGO Architects and developed by Hepfner, Smith, Airhart & Day Inc. (HSA&D) out of Dallas. You might know HSA&D locally from the other apartment project they just finished at 3949 Lindell in the CWE. That project was slowed by suspected arson at one point, which is said to be why they haven’t started on this project yet.



Station G Elevation Rendering (3MB)


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PostNov 01, 2008#44

^

Huh. I'm looking at a few apartments in that area. It would be nice to be part of a neighborhood that's finding its feet and going up. :)

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PostApr 03, 2010#45

has this project move forward? I havent been in that area in awhile. It would be nice to see some nice apartments on Chouteau.

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PostApr 03, 2010#46

I've been told that final drawing have been completed and that the project is waiting on financing - along with about a dozen others between the CWE and FPSE.

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PostJun 01, 2012#47

The rumor mill says that this project has received financing and is going to get built. It was the classic "heard from a guy who heard from a guy" rumor so I'm not sure how much stock to put in it. However, there was some construction equipment on site and in use this morning so that's encouraging.

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PostJun 01, 2012#48

That is awesome! Anybody that can snap some pics would be a pretty cool forum member.

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PostJun 01, 2012#49

What was the final design?

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PostJun 01, 2012#50

^ There hasn't been an updated design filed with the city, or shared with the neighborhood development committee. The last rendering (from maybe 2006) had a 200 unit building on the corner and extending half the block to the east. If what I'm hearing is true, the new project is occupying just the middle portion of the block and will have 100 units. WU now owns the corner lot.

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