AT&T Utility Buildings

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Post1:37 PM - 1 day ago#1

So, I've been hanging out in The Hague for the past week and inevitably comparing it to St. Louis and lamenting. The Hague is half the physical size of St. Louis with a population of ~550K and a very modest height of about 3 stories on average. It's bustling and a joy to walk and bike around. I know, I know... it's the national capital and the Netherlands is tiny and one of the densest nearly-contiguous urban landscapes on Earth etc etc. But wealth aside, and while things are closer together, the scale is not so different from STL.

Anyway, the general comparison isn't the point of this post. I got to comparing Google Maps of the 2 cities and was reminded of AT&T's 2 utility buildings at Grand & Shenandoah and at Delmar & Skinker. (Are there more that I'm forgetting?) Why is AT&T allowed to maintain moats around these buildings? It is absolutely egregious. Supposedly they claim "access and security reasons" but what is the actual security threat? A quick search suggests they only house equipment for localized landline and network services—I would guess such demand is greatly reduced these days. Access-wise, I've never seen a single vehicle parked at the Grand location, and there are only ever one or two vehicles parked in the fenced-off lots at the Delmar location. These things have been destroying the streetscape for decades (https://nextstl.com/2018/03/the-loss-of-an-urban-intersection-at-skinker-and-delmar-a-look-at-st-louis-in-the-1970s/). How do we get rid of them? If this is what data centers in the City are going to look like (see also the TierPoint data center in DT West) then the City is even more f*cked.


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Post8:57 PM - 1 day ago#2

I did a visit to the Delmar location for some radio telecommunications stuff a few years ago. The place used to be humming and clicking with multiple floors of telephone switches. Of course the mechanical switches don't exist much anymore, and neither do many landlines. In the building, there's literally a small rack in the first floor with some network equipment, and on the top floor there's a room with some radio equipment that powers a couple cellular arrays on the roof. It's 90% empty. The (very) few workers there I believe aren't even AT&T workers anymore, as they contract out their radio engineering to another company. 

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Post10:27 PM - 1 day ago#3

This is already what most data center buildings look like.

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Post11:34 PM - 1 day ago#4

They also don't clear the snow from the sidewalk.
One of the brick columns got knocked in half over ten years ago. The top half is still sitting on the ground. It took them too long, after complaining, for them to move it from the sidewalk.

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Post1:15 AM - Today#5

urban_dilettante wrote:
1:37 PM - 1 day ago
So, I've been hanging out in The Hague for the past week and inevitably comparing it to St. Louis and lamenting. The Hague is half the physical size of St. Louis with a population of ~550K and a very modest height of about 3 stories on average. It's bustling and a joy to walk and bike around. I know, I know... it's the national capital and the Netherlands is tiny and one of the densest nearly-contiguous urban landscapes on Earth etc etc. But wealth aside, and while things are closer together, the scale is not so different from STL.

Anyway, the general comparison isn't the point of this post. I got to comparing Google Maps of the 2 cities and was reminded of AT&T's 2 utility buildings at Grand & Shenandoah and at Delmar & Skinker. (Are there more that I'm forgetting?) Why is AT&T allowed to maintain moats around these buildings? It is absolutely egregious. Supposedly they claim "access and security reasons" but what is the actual security threat? A quick search suggests they only house equipment for localized landline and network services—I would guess such demand is greatly reduced these days. Access-wise, I've never seen a single vehicle parked at the Grand location, and there are only ever one or two vehicles parked in the fenced-off lots at the Delmar location. These things have been destroying the streetscape for decades (https://nextstl.com/2018/03/the-loss-of-an-urban-intersection-at-skinker-and-delmar-a-look-at-st-louis-in-the-1970s/). How do we get rid of them? If this is what data centers in the City are going to look like (see also the TierPoint data center in DT West) then the City is even more f*cked.

There is one near the border of the South Hampton and Princeton Heights neighborhoods.  I believe on Eichelberger.  Ive always thought they would be great apartment conversions.  

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Post25 minutes ago#6

That one still has a decent number of employees. The real kicker is that they have two surface parking lots for employees, but only one actually gets used.

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