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^^ and f*cking Phoenix. LOL.

Nobody knows anything about what Amazon is going to do. Except for me who knows they're coming to St. Louis.

jstriebel wrote: ↑

Nov 15, 2017

Nobody knows anything about what Amazon is going to do. Except for me who knows they're coming to St. Louis.

Well i hope you're right but something tells me you're wrong
It's clear that the same cities are hyped up or over hyped and some cities are not even acknowledged or thought of as dead.

I’m hearing very positive things whenever Amazon comes up. I’m quietly optimistic.

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Nov 15, 2017

Saint Louis 40 out of 67 in this ranking of rankings...

http://www.freep.com/story/money/busine ... 862710001/

Hilarious- The margins are pretty thin on many of these metros - Too thin for the spread between them.

I too do not understand the buzz for Pittsburgh and Detroit, other than the natural echo chamber that occurs when people start repeating something they heard from someone they admire. I have family in Detroit, some nice things starting to happen downtown but man... long way to go in the neighborhoods

I don't even think that many of these rankings in the spread sheet are based on data - buzz means more arm chair generals then data, and if college taught me one thing its that very smart people can misread data.

Has anyone gotten to see the package that STL put together? I know they said there was a reason they weren’t realeasing it, have we found out what that reason was? And I guess 2 weeks is TOO soon for gonecorporates little tease, huh?

Sorry, just anxious.

stladvocate wrote:Has anyone gotten to see the package that STL put together? I know they said there was a reason they weren’t realeasing it, have we found out what that reason was? And I guess 2 weeks is TOO soon for gonecorporates little tease, huh?

Sorry, just anxious.

Amazon has a non disclosure agreement. Although it doesn’t prohibit cities from revealing their plans, I believe STL went all in on this. Given how easy leaks are to happen from STL development, I would expect that only a few people actually know the final product.

STL also doesn’t want other cities to see what we have to offer companies looking at our region


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Nov 16, 2017

I too do not understand the buzz for Pittsburgh and Detroit, other than the natural echo chamber that occurs when people start repeating something they heard from someone they admire. I have family in Detroit, some nice things starting to happen downtown but man... long way to go in the neighborhoods

Absolutely Detroit has huge challenges in its neighborhoods but it is making some progress and the state of the greater downtown area almost is hard to comprehend from where it was even a few years ago. Not quite sure of any comparable sudden, sharp change in fortune like what the Detroit core is experiencing. Sure it's still not Seattle and there remains a lot of surface lots, etc. to tackle but it is on an amazing trajectory and definitely deserves the buzz its been getting; I can see why more and more companies wanting to be a part of that.

^ this is the unfortunate problem. buzz actually does motivate people, whether it is deserved or not. and for whatever reason St. Louis is resistant to buzz.

urban_dilettante wrote:^ this is the unfortunate problem. buzz actually does motivate people, whether it is deserved or not. and for whatever reason St. Louis is resistant to buzz.

St Louis doesn’t market itself on a national level. I have contacted Explore St Louis and the regional chamber numerous times to explore a national campaign.


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^ i think it goes beyond that, though. there's a self-loathing and complacence embedded in the culture here--more so than i've seen anywhere else. it's weird.

urban_dilettante wrote:^ i think it goes beyond that, though. there's a self-loathing and complacence embedded in the culture here--more so than i've seen anywhere else. it's weird.

Thats true also.


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urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Nov 17, 2017

^ i think it goes beyond that, though. there's a self-loathing and complacence embedded in the culture here--more so than i've seen anywhere else. it's weird.

Agreed. So many people here seem to just think STL doesn't deserve nice things. That or they think it will never turn around so why even try. If someone brings up things they think would make things better they will get mocked. It is strange. We even have people in the country and city bashing each other, which makes it worse.

I completely agree. Been to nearly all the "It" cities, and they offer nothing over what we have, but the "vibe" they have by a positive mindset is what we lack. We chose to live in St. Louis in 2012 over anywhere else in the US and when we said we chose to live here we received some stares. I'm happy to report is has improved a lot since then, but still not a level I consider acceptable. It's a very cool city. A general overhaul from the news media, schools, ad campaigns etc could do wonders. I've been to probably 30 states this year alone and most people have a positive impression of St. Louis outside of the area, but coming back in town it's quite the opposite. Someday we'll be right and everyone will claim St. Louis was cool all the time.

cteclipse wrote:I completely agree. Been to nearly all the "It" cities, and they offer nothing over what we have, but the "vibe" they have by a positive mindset is what we lack. We chose to live in St. Louis in 2012 over anywhere else in the US and when we said we chose to live here we received some stares. I'm happy to report is has improved a lot since then, but still not a level I consider acceptable. It's a very cool city. A general overhaul from the news media, schools, ad campaigns etc could do wonders. I've been to probably 30 states this year alone and most people have a positive impression of St. Louis outside of the area, but coming back in town it's quite the opposite. Someday we'll be right and everyone will claim St. Louis was cool all the time.

I agree completely. I’m currently in the New York City area for school/work and everyone here has a very positive image of St Louis. I’d say the negative impressions really only are in St Louis. St Louis, unlike many other Midwest metros, is known. A good example to see this is when St Louis is on national news or on local news in another city, it’s referenced as “St. Louis.” Whereas others are referenced as “Kansas City, Missouri”, “Indianapolis, Indiana”, “Columbus, Ohio.” The only cities I see not ever have a state attached are STL, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, and the Twin Cities.


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I don't think St.Louis residents are any different from other cities you'll have your loathers and others that promote the region.
Heres the question is there a real perception of St.Louis besides its own residents?
We all know what St.Louis is capable of.
St.Louis was a frontier and pioneer city that was meant to hang with the likes of Detroit NYC Philly Boston Chicago
That was the future then the future now should be to focus on pioneering our city to the best of its ability being equally matched with Minneapolis Denver Portland and even Austin maybe Seattle?
The foundation is all there whether with or without Amazon can We St.Louisan's find the confidence in promoting our region and city to heights never seen before?
Every person believes there city has potential but i truly believe St.Louis has absolute real potential.
We shouldn't be selling our city short even to our own residents.
We all know how far St.Louis has fallen and how far its come along things will only get better as redevelopment continues to escalate.
By 2020 St.Louis will look different with Centene 100 BPV 2 brand new SLU Cortex Armory Union Station maybe new zoo expansion though might still be a ways off possible metro link construction?
The possibilities are there.
The question is do we want to stay stagnant and allow other cities to continue bypass us or grow with them?
I believe we're at the beginning of something exciting and great

I just spent the better part of the week in the most "it city" in United States, Austin Texas. I will say this, their downtown is booming with activity and cranes are everywhere. There are a lot of young people everywhere.
However, if you leave downtown to the UT area and explore the city, St. Louis blows Austin away and it's not even close!
The city is all over the place with regards to development and urban planning. Not much continuity... Not unattractive city once you leave downtown and the immediate areas. Lots of strip malls, cookie-cutter apartment complexes and subpar housing. I truly believe that besides our self-loathing, perception issues and of course, crime issues, STL has SO much to offer. I wish STL wasn't so spread out. Our downtown does not feel like a metro area of almost 3,000,000 people because we are so spread out and our big companies don't value presence downtown. That downtown density and vibrancy is the kind of thing that attracts the Amazons of the world. I don't mean to get too far off the subject, but when I travel to some of the cities I wonder why a city with so much to offer, is so under- appreciated and manages to fall so short of its potential.

One thing that bodes well for St. Louis is the fact that people seem to be gravitating more towards less house, versus more. Tiny houses are trendy. That will help our urban areas if less continues to become more.

Will beat the dead horse. St Louis best opportunity to land a big Amazon presence whether it is HQ2 or not comes to one building IMO.. It was built for a large single corporate tenant and offers immediate occupancy and connected to one of the best fiber optic networks/electric grids you are going to find anywhere else

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... fb2b3.html

The vacant 44-story office tower in the heart of the city’s central business district downtown was put up for sale Thursday by brokerage NAI Global without an asking price.

Designed by architectural firm HOK, the 1.4 million-square-foot property at 909 Chestnut Street was built in 1986. The property is being marketed as a “trophy office asset,” due to its size and exterior signage opportunities.

I know the odds are stacked against us but can St.Louis become a real legitimate boomtown?

stlgasm wrote:Looks like Cincinnati is a finalist to land the 2nd HQ for GeekWire- did we even throw our hat in the ring for this?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2 ... 904872001/

It’s a temporary HQ. It’s a publicity stunt. People would have had to vote for St Louis on their website. I don’t think anyone knew about it. Would be cool if we had it, but this is more of a marketing gimmick than an actual presence.


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Nov 02, 2017

gone corporate wrote: ↑

Nov 01, 2017

Also: Something maybe, maybe happens before everything else, and maybe soon. Sorry for being so vague. Let’s just keep our eyes open.

My eyes are open. Suddenly, Express Scripts being here is the ace in the hole. well, maybe a 10 in the hole.....Jack?

still, Express Scripts is very relevant to Amazon's future.

NEW YORK • Express Scripts Holding CEO Tim Wentworth said on Thursday on CNBC that he sees Amazon Inc., which has been reported to be interested in entering the pharmacy market, as a possible partner for the pharmacy benefit manager rather than an outright competitor.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... f0464.html

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Nov 29, 2017

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Nov 29, 2017

stlgasm wrote:Looks like Cincinnati is a finalist to land the 2nd HQ for GeekWire- did we even throw our hat in the ring for this?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2 ... 904872001/

It’s a temporary HQ. It’s a publicity stunt. People would have had to vote for St Louis on their website. I don’t think anyone knew about it. Would be cool if we had it, but this is more of a marketing gimmick than an actual presence.


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That's reassuring. Still, it just reinforces the fact that every city touts itself as a tech hub these days, and we have our work cut out for us to stand out from the crowd.

Meanwhile, Scott Galloway has some nice things to say about STL in City Lab:

https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/11/bi ... source=fbb