They want up to 8 million square feet. The 500K to 1M is just for Phase 1 (2019). So any plan needs to be more than just handing them the keys to the AT&T building... there has to be the ability to continue to grow that campus. Does downtown have that capacity? (I don't know, I'm asking)STLrainbow wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017If Amazon really is serious about the need for a 500K-1M sq. ft. building ready for 2019 I think the only place this could go is downtown.... frankly, our empty real estate is the only thing that even makes us have a chance imo.
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Downtown has that capacity many times over.KevinAdams wrote:They want up to 8 million square feet. The 500K to 1M is just for Phase 1 (2019). So any plan needs to be more than just handing them the keys to the AT&T building... there has to be the ability to continue to grow that campus. Does downtown have that capacity? (I don't know, I'm asking)STLrainbow wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017If Amazon really is serious about the need for a 500K-1M sq. ft. building ready for 2019 I think the only place this could go is downtown.... frankly, our empty real estate is the only thing that even makes us have a chance imo.
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Oh look, now Edwardsville is putting in a bid also. So are we working together or separately? I still haven't figured it out.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article173130246.html
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article173130246.html
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Yes, if there's one thing we have, it's plenty of room to grow. We have 1.4 million sq feet in ATT. We have 1.2 million sq feet in Railway Exchange. If they want to build, we have the entire North Riverfront to give them, the Bottle District, Chouteau's Landing, and countless empty lots to build on.
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It would be fair to also add here that again the people I have discussed this with have said to not listen to any reports coming from the BND.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Oh look, now Edwardsville is putting in a bid also. So are we working together or separately? I still haven't figured it out.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article173130246.html
Why do I got this feeling that you will see a two phase political driven proposal at end of day that incorporates a initial phase Downtown City Garden anchored by ATT given to Amazon with a boat load of state dollars followed by a second, future campus within Dansforth Plant Science Campus or even renamed/envisioned (can't recall latest name give). Heck, can visualize a slide with a triangle with three dots for City Garden Downtown, Newly renamed Amazaon (Dansforth Campus) in county and Lambert Airport with two sides being metrolink (current spine line & future Daniel Boone line to Westport) and the other side of triangle being I270 to highlight connectivity within the region and to the countrySTLhistoryBuff wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Yes, if there's one thing we have, it's plenty of room to grow. We have 1.4 million sq feet in ATT. We have 1.2 million sq feet in Railway Exchange. If they want to build, we have the entire North Riverfront to give them, the Bottle District, Chouteau's Landing, and countless empty lots to build on.
I don't think it will be nearly as good of a proposal anchored by ATT/Railway Exchange space with an expanded downtown/ Chouteau Lake Greenway footprint but if ATT building and a boat load of Missouri subsidies get Amazon to St. Louis even if it includes a two part campus it is a huge win for the region
What happens if city buys the building and Amazon passes?whitherSTL wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Just met up with my buddy who is a prominent, and I mean prominent, commercial real estate mover and shaker. He is in the biz journal 10 times a year. Anyway, he said there exists a very good chance the city owns the AT&T tower soon. And then it will be offered to AMZN.
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dont think the city would be paying much for it, i think the current owners will just unload it.
There are smaller companies with far less competitive relocations. St. Louis will be the only one offering this type of building for free.goat314 wrote:What happens if city buys the building and Amazon passes?whitherSTL wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Just met up with my buddy who is a prominent, and I mean prominent, commercial real estate mover and shaker. He is in the biz journal 10 times a year. Anyway, he said there exists a very good chance the city owns the AT&T tower soon. And then it will be offered to AMZN.
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The STLPR St. Louis On the Air segment that was posted last week was with Sheila Sweeney, CEO of the STL Partnership, Otis Williams, Exec Dir of the STL Dev Corp, and Hal Patton, Mayor of Edwardsville.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017It would be fair to also add here that again the people I have discussed this with have said to not listen to any reports coming from the BND.jshank83 wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Oh look, now Edwardsville is putting in a bid also. So are we working together or separately? I still haven't figured it out.
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article173130246.html
Patton had to leave midway through the segment, but the segment frequently referred to the region working together. And Mayor Patton once stated that he couldn't really state the impact of the Amazon facilities that are already in Edwardsville beyond the total job number because it's really a regional impact with people working across the river, in Alton, other areas in the Metro East, etc.
All of this to say that I'd be shocked if Edwardsville is going this alone all of the sudden. It is interesting that they're talking to the state of Illinois, but I don't expect them to be of much help to anyone in the Metro East.
KC grabbed Richard Florida and Joel Kotkin to be on KC's HQ2 proposal team.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... -city.html
On one hand probably a waste of money given the slim chance. OTOH they can use the output/deliverables generated by consultants on future proposals when pursuing other outside companies if even branch offices.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... -city.html
On one hand probably a waste of money given the slim chance. OTOH they can use the output/deliverables generated by consultants on future proposals when pursuing other outside companies if even branch offices.
I have to believe that the ATT One Center, the infrastructure & urban amenities in place and around it as well as a boatload of subsidies on scale of Boeing offer or greater is really the one legitimate chance at snagging Amazon. At same time, I can see Amazon changing the rules for St. Louis by conditioning the proposal by stating that we would fill ATT now but for more jobs or corporate campus and eventually being named HQ2 we want, x, y and z.STLhistoryBuff wrote: ↑Sep 13, 2017Yes, if there's one thing we have, it's plenty of room to grow. We have 1.4 million sq feet in ATT. We have 1.2 million sq feet in Railway Exchange. If they want to build, we have the entire North Riverfront to give them, the Bottle District, Chouteau's Landing, and countless empty lots to build on.
So for sake of discussion, my two odd ball thoughts. First, what will the state, region and city give to at least get Amazon to commit to at least 5-10,000 jobs downtown
1) Gov calls special session to vote on subsidies equivalent or greater to the Boeing offer? I think this is a given if Gov G is serious & wants a national audience.
2) MO Statehouse would eliminate City of St. Louis as a separate county entity therefore restoring St. Louis County original border? Gives more economic development say to county going forward with Amazon as well as more control of the federal funds coming into the respective counties.
3) Would the county be willing to put its support behind a N-S light rail alignment as preference or any other city oriented immediate investment such as Chotteau Greenway to get Amazon? In return, would county look for a joint Port Authority that includes Lambert as the return for its investment/political payback?
4) or Would the city try to accelerate privatization of Lambert to secure a cash pay out and get influx of cash to deal with whatever might be demanded out of Amazon?
The other thought. What might Amazon condition or demand if it comes back with an offer to accept the tax incentive package and to fill the ATT Center but will only move forward and more jobs as a carrot when it gets x, y, and z
1) Would Amazon expect some type of county/city consolidation? or maybe not, 50,000 jobs in a city of 300,000 might fall into the old company town setup that truly and only benefited the company..
2) What quality of life issues would it demand? or say transit investments?
3) Would demands be put on Lambert?
4) Would Amazon scale up the program of city buying and giving ATT to say a much larger state/county/city plan to purchase and provide dirt cheap long term leases or Amazon friendly purchase lease agreements on such land?
Heck, does Amazon pull an old school Disney World move out of the playbook? Hints at one city and quietly secures what it wants in its preferred location. Of course, would love that plan if Amazon talks up say Boston and quietly buys up St Louis downtown vacant lots and maybe Express Scripts for good measure.
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No Room at the Inn for Amazon
Such an Enormous Investment Must be Transformative
Such an Enormous Investment Must be Transformative
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... louis.html
NY Times tells Amazon: Meet me in St. Louis
A New York Times columnist over the weekend makes the case for St. Louis being a compelling location for Amazon to choose for its planned second headquarters.
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^I hate this article. St. Louis is not some burnt out hell hole. Yes it has problems but i don't want to (and i don't think we could) win this on a pity vote.
It is our ability to hand them the keys to a effectively move in ready office building for the 1st 5000 workers that makes us competitive. Its is the glut of options they have for reshaping and branding a number of possible campus locations throughout the metro. Its our very competitive housing prices. Its our underutilized construction capacity that could be ramped up to meet their substantial timeline. Its our infrastructure built to support nearly 1,000,000 people that is currently only being used by 300,000 people.
Instead we get the old well St. Louis kind of sucks you owe it to them. He also doesn't really make a distinction between us a Detroit or any other Rustbelt city. We are all interchangeable as far as he cares. In short its far from a case for St. Louis.
It is our ability to hand them the keys to a effectively move in ready office building for the 1st 5000 workers that makes us competitive. Its is the glut of options they have for reshaping and branding a number of possible campus locations throughout the metro. Its our very competitive housing prices. Its our underutilized construction capacity that could be ramped up to meet their substantial timeline. Its our infrastructure built to support nearly 1,000,000 people that is currently only being used by 300,000 people.
Instead we get the old well St. Louis kind of sucks you owe it to them. He also doesn't really make a distinction between us a Detroit or any other Rustbelt city. We are all interchangeable as far as he cares. In short its far from a case for St. Louis.
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I agree. StL checks a lot of boxes on Amazon's list. We should not be selling ourselves short.
I must be seeing things....
Illinois governor to assist St. Louis' effort to win Amazon HQ2 project
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article174097881.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... o-win.html
Says Chicago is his first choice but still it is good to see.
Illinois governor to assist St. Louis' effort to win Amazon HQ2 project
http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article174097881.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... o-win.html
Says Chicago is his first choice but still it is good to see.
That's actually a really big deal, I think. Huge to hear. I don't think much of Rauner, but this could definitely be a benefit of Illinois not having someone from the Chicago machine in office as governor.
What do I know, but I really don't think Amazon is going to Chicago. And if they are, we never had a chance to begin with. So I think it's a big deal to have support from both states on this.
What do I know, but I really don't think Amazon is going to Chicago. And if they are, we never had a chance to begin with. So I think it's a big deal to have support from both states on this.
I thought that Express Scripts Chairman George Paz as part of the regional team was interesting to note in PD. On one hand, having Chairman of one of the biggest area companies on board is no brainer. On the other hand it is easy to read more into it, healthcare and especially prescription would be a new frontier for Amazon. Fun to speculate as it nothing more than that on my part, but would this be Paz way of jumping up and down & saying over hear, buy us out?
Bob Clark, Clayco is leading Centene's signature development and HOK is world class. Which gets me to another thought. Amazon play on St. Louis real estate would take Centene's Clayton CBD and even Quicken's Detroit relocation & subsequent real estate play to whole new level. In other words, where can Amazon find a lot lot of real estate including the city buying them a +1 million square foot tower that cheap? The resale and development once they start putting down those job numbers would probably pay for their own space in time. Heck, I didn't think about it between state and city they own a big chunk of property in west downtown as part of the failed 22nd parkway with a ready made plan and TIF in place to develop and who knows, maybe Bezos wants to own a soccer club
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 7cf79.html
For St. Louis’ pitch to Amazon, Clayco Chairman and CEO Bob Clark is advising officials on the submission, in addition to Express Scripts Chairman George Paz, and staff from design firms Forum Studio and HOK, Stenger said
Bob Clark, Clayco is leading Centene's signature development and HOK is world class. Which gets me to another thought. Amazon play on St. Louis real estate would take Centene's Clayton CBD and even Quicken's Detroit relocation & subsequent real estate play to whole new level. In other words, where can Amazon find a lot lot of real estate including the city buying them a +1 million square foot tower that cheap? The resale and development once they start putting down those job numbers would probably pay for their own space in time. Heck, I didn't think about it between state and city they own a big chunk of property in west downtown as part of the failed 22nd parkway with a ready made plan and TIF in place to develop and who knows, maybe Bezos wants to own a soccer club
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 7cf79.html
For St. Louis’ pitch to Amazon, Clayco Chairman and CEO Bob Clark is advising officials on the submission, in addition to Express Scripts Chairman George Paz, and staff from design firms Forum Studio and HOK, Stenger said
It's nice to hear they have more and more people joining this bid effort.
On the other hand, what the ***** is with the P-D and it's effort to sh*t on the very idea that we might be in the running, every single time? I thought it was hilarious how they had all these business leaders getting on the bid train, and then they trotted out some dude from U-City to say that this will never happen because omg riots, St. Louis just sucks guys ohwellwhatchagonnado.
Right. Seattle has never had riots. Certainly not in recent memory.
On the other hand, what the ***** is with the P-D and it's effort to sh*t on the very idea that we might be in the running, every single time? I thought it was hilarious how they had all these business leaders getting on the bid train, and then they trotted out some dude from U-City to say that this will never happen because omg riots, St. Louis just sucks guys ohwellwhatchagonnado.
Right. Seattle has never had riots. Certainly not in recent memory.
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^Yep, and I guess Atlanta is out now too after last night huh?
And Dallas and Baltimore and New York and Boston and Cleveland... St. Louisan's can have such a myopic view.