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A 50 Floor Building? Here is Detroits 52 Floor Building @ 734ft tall Proposal. It would look good in our City if it wasn't along the Riverfront, South of Interstate 64 or on the Kiener Garages would look good.
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That would look ridiculous, no matter where you would put it.

Makes me wonder if St. Louis will ever challenge the Arch's height. (I understand West of Broadway has no limit in CBD). We don't necessarily need to now with construction costs offsetting rents and so forth, but I think it would be interesting to see if there would be debate.

I believe one of the Bottle District towers exceeded the Arch's height. That seems like a ripe development project that could follow a 70 boulevard conversion.

dylank wrote: ↑

Mar 02, 2017

Makes me wonder if St. Louis will ever challenge the Arch's height. (I understand West of Broadway has no limit in CBD). We don't necessarily need to now with construction costs offsetting rents and so forth, but I think it would be interesting to see if there would be debate.

I believe one of the Bottle District towers exceeded the Arch's height. That seems like a ripe development project that could follow a 70 boulevard conversion.

We already missed the ripe opportunity to change 44/70 into a 3rd street boulevard when we built the park over the highway and revitalized the arch grounds. That was the perfect time IMO.

There's also no way that there is money to demolish the elevated lanes, etc. It's a shame.

Officials with Alterra International, the Dallas development firm that has the Jefferson Arms building downtown under contract, say they're looking to buy another, the 135,000-square-foot former American Brake Co. building.

Terms of the potential deal were not disclosed. Alterra President Mike Sarimsakci said the firm has plans to redevelop the building, at 1920 N. Broadway on the Near North Riverfront, into apartments or a hotel. Project costs were not yet available. Sarimsakci said the deal should close later this fall.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... under.html

If this guy ever turns talk into action, it will be very exciting for STL.

^^ a hotel for WHAT? apartments would be a good start toward populating the north riverfront but another hotel?

debaliviere wrote: ↑

Jun 05, 2017

If this guy ever turns talk into action, it will be very exciting for STL.

Have to agree, it is starting to becoming believe when I see it thought.

urban_dilettante wrote: ^^ a hotel for WHAT? apartments would be a good start toward populating the north riverfront but another hotel?

The only place a hotel makes sense to me in the near future is Drury breaking ground on its ideal Laclede's Location and even then I don't see that happening until regions commits to CVC convention upgrades

dredger wrote: ↑

Jun 06, 2017

debaliviere wrote: ↑

Jun 05, 2017

If this guy ever turns talk into action, it will be very exciting for STL.

Have to agree, it is starting to becoming believe when I see it thought.

urban_dilettante wrote: ^^ a hotel for WHAT? apartments would be a good start toward populating the north riverfront but another hotel?

The only place a hotel makes sense to me in the near future is Drury breaking ground on its ideal Laclede's Location and even then I don't see that happening until regions commits to CVC convention upgrades

Thirded. We need new, attractive apartments.

Historic rehabs are great, but we need more diversity in options. And building on Laclede's Landing (an ideal underground ^ & concealed parking garage with retail space, and apartments above) would start to bridge the gap over 44.

Sorry for bringing up a long dead conversation but, what is the status on 1920 North Broadway? I can't find anything new on it and just want to know if anyone has any other information. I like the old design of the building but, it is isolated from a lot of things so a hotel and residential building really wouldn't work well here.

^ Not to stir the pot, but I have heard something may be brewing for this. BuildingSTL has been alluding to a major project on the riverfront, that could be announced next week. Chris, if you have any additional info you can share, let us know!

Chalupas54 wrote:^ Not to stir the pot, but I have heard something may be brewing for this. BuildingSTL has been alluding to a major project on the riverfront, that could be announced next week. Chris, if you have any additional info you can share, let us know!

I know of things about the tower itself and it is having some movement. Design is still being tweaked and overall specs (height, square footage) are still being dealt with. Could come this week or sometime before July because I’ve known about this since January but it is moving pretty slow.

Seems like such an odd place to build such a dramatic tower. Can anyone tell me why they would be building here?

Hope to hear something soon! Exciting nevertheless.

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Apr 30, 2018

Seems like such an odd place to build such a dramatic tower. Can anyone tell me why they would be building here?

Hope to hear something soon! Exciting nevertheless.

Here is why I think they would be building there...

1. Land is cheaper there I guess
2. This area needs some love in terms of development. Bissengers and Lumiere Place are great anchors, add some other things in there and BOOM, new neighborhood.
3. This could kick start redevelopment
4. Could allow for growth of businesses around it
5. Give a new look for the City when people are coming across the Stan Span
6. They most likely will build it here so it doesn't over power the Arch. The further away you are, the better I suppose. The Arch is our icon and you don't want a tall tower over powering it.

None of those reasons seem any different than the case for building a significant development anywhere else in the city.

wabash wrote: ↑

Apr 30, 2018

None of those reasons seem any different than the case for building a significant development anywhere else in the city.

I guess they see some other potential here besides what I mentioned. Guess we will find out soon.

When I heard the rumors I was not picturing it in that location. I get the not wanting to overpower the arch but it also seems a little bit further out than would make sense at the moment. There isn't much in the immediate area for workers/residents/etc for a building that large. I wouldn't want to be walking around that area at night, that's for for sure. Now maybe there is a plan to develop the area around it more and that is great, but this is just going to add another separate pocket downtown from everything else. I feel like downtown is already pretty spread out (for what is going on downtown). You have Wash ave on one end, BPV/ballpark on another, soon to be Union Station (and all it has getting built) in another area, and now this, which is still separate from the landing (depending on location).

Not that I am one to complain about a 50 story tower but if I can be picky, I hope it is very close to Lumiere. As in within a block close.I would rather see the downtown core get built up more and to eliminate some surface parking (and dead zones) than this, but beggars can't be choosers, I guess. I am just more skeptical this gets built in its current location than if it further south but we will see what comes out in the coming days.

Is this suppose new high-rise going to 50 floors & 458 ft seriously if this gets built it will look very out of range with the rest of the skyline however wasn't at one time where Lumiere Casino stands proposed as a new convention hotel & to be the tallest building in St.Louis?

St.Louis1764 wrote:Is this suppose new high-rise going to 50 floors & 458 ft seriously if this gets built it will look very out of range with the rest of the skyline however wasn't at one time where Lumiere Casino stands proposed as a new convention hotel & to be the tallest building in St.Louis?

Think of this tower being around 600 feet +/- a few feet. The Gateway Casino proposal would’ve been really out of place at the time (which can be seen in the UnbuiltSTL thread on Page 2). It will look out of place in the skyline but I have hope that Alterra takes into consideration that the area around it needs some love.

One obvious spot for me would have been closer to Downtown or Chouteau's Landing. Then infill and rehab of the existing buildings to create an incubator and residential neighborhood. But the same could be said of north of the Landing. And imagine if the Drury tower comes to fruition, it might look a bit less odd, and maybe, just maybe Lumiere pitching in from its promises a decade ago. Won't hold my breath on that one though. Same if a proposal for Bottle District ever comes back.

My only other curiosity of this is whethwe they have an office tenant already involved or in the works. Seems like a risky move especially when AT&T might be reworked for a new tenant. Maybe there is just more going on behind the scenes than I can imagine.

bwcrow1s wrote:One obvious spot for me would have been closer to Downtown or Chouteau's Landing. Then infill and rehab of the existing buildings to create an incubator and residential neighborhood. But the same could be said of north of the Landing. And imagine if the Drury tower comes to fruition, it might look a bit less odd, and maybe, just maybe Lumiere pitching in from its promises a decade ago. Won't hold my breath on that one though. Same if a proposal for Bottle District ever comes back.

My only other curiosity of this is whethwe they have an office tenant already involved or in the works. Seems like a risky move especially when AT&T might be reworked for a new tenant. Maybe there is just more going on behind the scenes than I can imagine.

This would be nice to have at Chouteau’s Landing but you never know the real reasons why developers choose where they go. Lumiere’s Plan is probably entirely dead. Bottle District I don’t see moving anytime soon. Plus, I don’t think this tower will be Office, I heard it will be Residential, Hotel and Parking. Now, the plans may have changed. Does anyone know if Bissingers is looking for more office space (if any)?

I've been in their offices and while they seem somewhat snug, I don't think they are bursting at the seams. Especially when they already did a multi million dollar rehab of that building. Who knows though.

simmer people, lets see if this group can first even get started on Jeff Arms.

^ this is the correct answer.

And there's no way rents at this point are anywhere near what it'd take to build a significant tower on Near North Riverfront I'd say at least 5 years for a high-rise. Maybe some interesting rehabs before then.

I see any major development on the North Riverfront or Chouteau's Landing having to be something that is phased development with HEAVY city incentives like the Banks in Cincinnati or the Gulch in Nashville. I honestly think a development like that could work in St. Louis, but we all know St. Louis City is horrible at making and executing plans that actually involve new residential components. All these TIFs for shopping and entertainment/hospitality, but very little for actually neighborhood redevelopment in St. Louis. Chouteau's and Laclede's Landing are very unique locations with iconic views, if the pre-sales at BPV2 are any indication, I think a well planned and marketed redevelopment plan could transform these areas into dynamic urban neighborhoods in short order.