NextSTL - AHM Plans Rehabs and New Builds in Downtown West
https://nextstl.com/2022/06/ahm-plans-r ... town-west/
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Wow, three new buildings including a 29-story tower!
NextSTL - AHM Presents Vision for Downtown West
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https://nextstl.com/2022/06/ahm-present ... town-west/
NextSTL - AHM Presents Vision for Downtown West
https://nextstl.com/2022/06/ahm-present ... town-west/
2125 Locust
2100 Washington
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This is insane. Honestly there's no way these plans don't get scaled down. 22 floors of timber construction?
Why do they need so much parking? 800 spaces for 500 apartments & some office space?
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Sweet Jesus that would be amazing if it doesn't get Skyhouse'ed by the recession.
Also I hope there is more to the design of the building on site 5. Wash Ave deserves better than that.
Also I hope there is more to the design of the building on site 5. Wash Ave deserves better than that.
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Retail on lower floors gets me excited, especially being in such a close proximity to the new stadium.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but could this potentially be the tallest mass timber building in the world?
If this ends up being taller than 100m to the roof, then it will be the tallest mass timber building in the world. Schmidt Hammer Lassen of Copenhagen designed a 100m tall tower that will be the tallest when complete in 2025 or 2026jacob_rb_15 wrote: ↑Jun 28, 2022Correct me if I'm wrong, but could this potentially be the tallest mass timber building in the world?
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I think there maybe be a bit of a technicality argument with the claim, the mass timber would be 22 stories of the 29 and I assume that 22 will be about 250-264 feet or 80 meters on high end
But if the podium counts it would be about 103-106 meters
But if the podium counts it would be about 103-106 meters
Interesting mix of architects on this one.
- Korb and Associates of Boston (tower)
- Trivers Associates (tower and 2101-7 Locust)
- StudioDVLP (2109-15 Locust)
- Arcturis (2125 Locust and 2100 Block of Washington)
- Korb and Associates of Boston (tower)
- Trivers Associates (tower and 2101-7 Locust)
- StudioDVLP (2109-15 Locust)
- Arcturis (2125 Locust and 2100 Block of Washington)
That Greater St. Louis, Inc. has signed on as an investor gives me a little more confidence in this plan coming to fruition.
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I think this was talked about in other threads - I'm a little uncomfortable with GSTL Inc having a for profit real estate arm that's only open to investment for the Taylor's, Schnucks and a few other select families and it's because the access this org has to everyone in STL city and county gov and the groups mission as a booster for entire region, It just feels a little dirty that they also pick winners and losers project wise. Idk why the for profit real estate fund couldn't be totally separate endeavorMattnSTL wrote: ↑Jun 29, 2022That Greater St. Louis, Inc. has signed on as an investor gives me a little more confidence in this plan coming to fruition.
Probably because it doesn't work without the political clout you just listed. Price of doing business it seems.
$200M project backed by civic booster group in Downtown West nets incentives
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... a27c0.html
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... a27c0.html
Let's claim it as the tallest in the worlddbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jun 29, 2022I think there maybe be a bit of a technicality argument with the claim, the mass timber would be 22 stories of the 29 and I assume that 22 will be about 250-264 feet or 80 meters on high end
But if the podium counts it would be about 103-106 meters
. It's already going to be the tallest in the U.S., beating out Ascent in Milwaukee. Might as well stick it to the Swiss. I thought more people on this forum would be reacting to this than they have. I think it's a pretty big deal in more ways than one.
Think about it. The AHM Group, which I assumed was a small development firm, is going huge on this. They went from being a small developer to wanting to swing and play with the big guys, and I welcome their entry. They have investors on board it seems, which shows everyone involved in this is bullish on Downtown West. This is continuing to show off the MLS effect in the neighborhood. Why need someone like Cordish when you have DSG, AHM, King, and Midas? Lastly, this is the second mass-timber structure proposed in the state (the other is at City Foundry), that means St. Louis will be leading the way with this building material.
It's all good stuff. I hope it all happens too, but I won't be upset if the tower is more or less halved to 15 floors. When I first heard whispers of a high-rise in Downtown West, and particularly just north of the MLS Stadium, back in January, I figured something in the 10-12, then later 12-16 floor range. The range made sense. It wasn't too tall but was tall enough to be classified as a high-rise and make an impact on the skyline. When I heard it was AHM who bought the parcels, and the dots connected, I was surprised that they were going to do a high-rise, so I again revised my expectations down to 8-12 floors.
Seeing the 29-floor proposal made my jaw drop. You're talking about a One Cardinal Way/Albion West End height project in the middle of a bunch of old, and much shorter, warehouses and commercial buildings. Of course, that's only if it's built.
And when you couple the high-rise with a series of other investments, it just blows my mind. We're getting four buildings fixed up and two, smaller infill projects built that help densify this present-day wasteland of gravel lots and parking.
One final comment: the area isn't done yet.
Think about it. The AHM Group, which I assumed was a small development firm, is going huge on this. They went from being a small developer to wanting to swing and play with the big guys, and I welcome their entry. They have investors on board it seems, which shows everyone involved in this is bullish on Downtown West. This is continuing to show off the MLS effect in the neighborhood. Why need someone like Cordish when you have DSG, AHM, King, and Midas? Lastly, this is the second mass-timber structure proposed in the state (the other is at City Foundry), that means St. Louis will be leading the way with this building material.
It's all good stuff. I hope it all happens too, but I won't be upset if the tower is more or less halved to 15 floors. When I first heard whispers of a high-rise in Downtown West, and particularly just north of the MLS Stadium, back in January, I figured something in the 10-12, then later 12-16 floor range. The range made sense. It wasn't too tall but was tall enough to be classified as a high-rise and make an impact on the skyline. When I heard it was AHM who bought the parcels, and the dots connected, I was surprised that they were going to do a high-rise, so I again revised my expectations down to 8-12 floors.
Seeing the 29-floor proposal made my jaw drop. You're talking about a One Cardinal Way/Albion West End height project in the middle of a bunch of old, and much shorter, warehouses and commercial buildings. Of course, that's only if it's built.
And when you couple the high-rise with a series of other investments, it just blows my mind. We're getting four buildings fixed up and two, smaller infill projects built that help densify this present-day wasteland of gravel lots and parking.
One final comment: the area isn't done yet.
^ I'm super excited to hear about this project and I hope their full ambitions are realized. It would be nice to see some renderings that include the DT skyline along with this new tower.
It seems as if this flurry of proposals/development that we've seen for years in the CWE and now Midtown areas has also spread to DTW and I am confident this will continue to spread east into DT.
Can't wait to hear about the other proposals, Chris.
It seems as if this flurry of proposals/development that we've seen for years in the CWE and now Midtown areas has also spread to DTW and I am confident this will continue to spread east into DT.
Can't wait to hear about the other proposals, Chris.
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It seems this project has serious backers, and I think that bodes well for its path through the political and financial processes.
I feel confident this is going to get done, in some fashion; and I feel even more confident in saying that this area is going to absolutely take off and change perceptions of St. Louis, both locally and nationally, but also internationally.
I think gaining professional soccer, a sport that attracts crowds of young, diverse people, is going to be a much bigger thing for our city and downtown than most people realize.
I feel confident this is going to get done, in some fashion; and I feel even more confident in saying that this area is going to absolutely take off and change perceptions of St. Louis, both locally and nationally, but also internationally.
I think gaining professional soccer, a sport that attracts crowds of young, diverse people, is going to be a much bigger thing for our city and downtown than most people realize.
^^^ Chris, I think everyone on the forum sees this development as a great proposal and hopefull. The tallest timber frame structure in the US would be huge as you noted. But also have a feeling of cautious optimism to proof is in the pudding as this is pretty substantial proposal for the area and typically take a while to come together. Heck, I think it will be a pretty good year if Koplar can move forward on its CWE tower and 2CW is announced along with the two or three other smaller downtown infill projects breaking ground. Too have a 29 story timber frame tower thrown in would be be a great sign for the city.
Probably good as any thread but anyone surprised on the number of projects getting incentives approved? Seemed like a 180 or at least the aldermen saying that we want stuff built. Not sure what is the right balance but seems you can to far one way and or to far the other way, or simply a lot gets built with no immediate tax gains and or nothing gets built as development comes to an all stop
Probably good as any thread but anyone surprised on the number of projects getting incentives approved? Seemed like a 180 or at least the aldermen saying that we want stuff built. Not sure what is the right balance but seems you can to far one way and or to far the other way, or simply a lot gets built with no immediate tax gains and or nothing gets built as development comes to an all stop