Granted... that's single pane // wood. So it all really depends on what exactly the window is.. 
If you don't mind sharing your window guy's info, it can't hurt to pass it along.pattimagee wrote: Granted... that's single pane // wood. So it all really depends on what exactly the window is..
So, they verified that there was a turret originally?imran wrote:
I happen to know the owners and they believe in the quality of historic buildings. They were very interested in putting a turret roof but the cost estimates landed it outside the budget. I secretly hope they can revisit it in the future.
I'm curious because I noticed this was built in 1895, one year before the Great Cyclone that leveled much of Lafayette Square and Soulard. From the map of the path of the tornado, it looks like the center would have gone directly over this building. That might explain the missing turret...
I also happened to run across this rendering from 2007 of the Chivvis proposal. Hopefully they can revisit the infill building at some point. It is a driveway and a few parking spaces though now, which I'm sure Imo's will say they desperately need.
@urbanitas I don't think Midtown Locust Properties (the developer) is in the business of building new things, but you never know.
Not exactly. There is a rounded wooden support above the curved corner thats additional to the usual ceiling joists hence they feel it was supporting something at this corner. However, their historical researcher was not able to find any image of the building showing this mysterious element.urbanitas wrote:So, they verified that there was a turret originally?imran wrote:
I happen to know the owners and they believe in the quality of historic buildings. They were very interested in putting a turret roof but the cost estimates landed it outside the budget. I secretly hope they can revisit it in the future.
I'm curious because I noticed this was built in 1895, one year before the Great Cyclone that leveled much of Lafayette Square and Soulard. From the map of the path of the tornado, it looks like the center would have gone directly over this building. That might explain the missing turret...
They are not opposed to an infill building here in the future. I go the impression the the drive-through is an accommodation for the current tenent (Imo's)urbanitas wrote:
I also happened to run across this rendering from 2007 of the Chivvis proposal. Hopefully they can revisit the infill building at some point. It is a driveway and a few parking spaces though now, which I'm sure Imo's will say they desperately need.
It is easily one of the worst Imo's locations. Push for infill, send them packing. That stretch needs some new life.
I paid $3500 each for windows with an arch top, so $8000 for curved glass doesn't sound terrible. My windows are very nice, very tall, aluminum clad wood, double pained, granted. The second floor windows that are shorter were only $1600 each for an arch top.
I used to work at Imos and Carl Imo sent out a letter to all the stores that they must have a drive-thru or else their franchise will be taken away. So basically, this location must have a drive-thru to stay open. I don't even know how it's business is, to be honest with you. I would love to see infill there but I just don't think Midtown Locust Properties is in the business of building new stuff. Maybe @imran can try to convince them over time since it seems that he has contacts into the company.bwcrow1s wrote:It is easily one of the worst Imo's locations. Push for infill, send them packing. That stretch needs some new life.
Business is probably great with plenty of unsuspecting hotel and AirBnB guests in our city wanting to try Imo's. Then they get the disgusting, poorly constructed mess that the 4th Street location puts out, unfortunately. Drivers are always rude, takes a long time for delivery. We opt for Downtown/Delmar now which makes a perfect "pizza".chriss752 wrote:I used to work at Imos and Carl Imo sent out a letter to all the stores that they must have a drive-thru or else their franchise will be taken away. So basically, this location must have a drive-thru to stay open. I don't even know how it's business is, to be honest with you. I would love to see infill there but I just don't think Midtown Locust Properties is in the business of building new stuff. Maybe @imran can try to convince them over time since it seems that he has contacts into the company.bwcrow1s wrote:It is easily one of the worst Imo's locations. Push for infill, send them packing. That stretch needs some new life.
The drive through makes sense, I guess. Frustrating though. Does that mean the Imo's on Market is going to have to close, or what? I feel like all the Downtown locations cannibalize each other anyways.
I don't know of any Imos with an actual drive-through. Maybe he just meant a quick short-term in-and-out parking area?
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The Imo's on Morganford has a drive-thru.
Was just there. Can't speak for the rest of them, though. Aren't there over 100 locations in the metro?
Was just there. Can't speak for the rest of them, though. Aren't there over 100 locations in the metro?
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Edwardsville and Fairview Heights on the IL side also have drive-thrus.
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^The three Imo's closest to my house (Watson and Sappington, Downtown Kirkwood and Old Orchard) have no drive thru. Two of those it would be basically impossible to put one in. Is there a difference between company owned locations and franchisees?
A few questions and comments that I have...
- I wonder what the condition of the interior was in prior to the renovation. I would love to see some before and after interior photos.
- Do you all think this will make the Landmarks Association most enhanced list for next year? In my opinion, yes it will.
- If the Imo's building is called "The Trestle Building" (www.trestlebuilding.com), then I wonder what this will be called. I assume it will have a name but if there is only one residential unit, I don't know if it will.
I used to pick up lunch there every couple months or so before I changed jobs. 2015-2018. Usually was pretty busy. The inside was in decent shape. So I think they do okay for themselves. I don't remember it having a drive thru but maybe it does now.chriss752 wrote:I used to work at Imos and Carl Imo sent out a letter to all the stores that they must have a drive-thru or else their franchise will be taken away. So basically, this location must have a drive-thru to stay open. I don't even know how it's business is, to be honest with you. I would love to see infill there but I just don't think Midtown Locust Properties is in the business of building new stuff. Maybe @imran can try to convince them over time since it seems that he has contacts into the company.bwcrow1s wrote:It is easily one of the worst Imo's locations. Push for infill, send them packing. That stretch needs some new life.
They may be ready to install some curved glass. The second floor board was removed today.
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So what’s this project going to be? Single family residence with a retail spsfe?
So what’s this project going to be? Single family residence with a retail spsfe?
Update from today...
- Interesting ceiling detail.
- Hanging lights were installed but no picture. You can see them in the first picture on the first floor. Looks like they are setting that space up for an office or retail store.
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- Interesting ceiling detail.
- Hanging lights were installed but no picture. You can see them in the first picture on the first floor. Looks like they are setting that space up for an office or retail store.
I went back after the construction workers left.
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Is this little metal strip cast iron? I wonder if there was anymore cast iron on the building at one point if that is the case.
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Is this little metal strip cast iron? I wonder if there was anymore cast iron on the building at one point if that is the case.
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^ that building is going to look great once the windows go in.
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^^Sure looks stylistically like a cast iron detail. Neat stuff!
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Took a tour of this project today with Barry Adelstein, a guy named Scott and a real estate woman. The project is quite interesting and brings some unique features along with it. Let me walk you through it here.
The garage will be able to hold two cars. Right now, it is a storage room for construction materials. The fireplace mantels from the upper floors will be reinstalled as construction comes to an end.
The first-floor layout is quite interesting. When you come in from the garage, there is a storage area for the resident's stuff. Then there is a stairway to the basement. After that, there is a hallway intersection. If you go one way, you'll end up in the resident elevator/stair lobby. Go the other way, you'll end up passing by a bathroom and kitchenette before entering into the retail space.
For the commercial space, they are putting down hardwood floors right now and are in negotiations with a Brentwood based company to move into the commercial space. It will have to be a small firm so we will see who it is.
Below are photos of the lights in the hallway leading to the resident elevator/stair lobby.
The stairs in the building are original according to Barry (so 1887). They'll be cleaned prior to the building opening in the next month or two.
Upstairs, there is a neat stair railing detail. The stairs let you off just across the hallway from the elevator lobby.
Took a tour of this project today with Barry Adelstein, a guy named Scott and a real estate woman. The project is quite interesting and brings some unique features along with it. Let me walk you through it here.
The garage will be able to hold two cars. Right now, it is a storage room for construction materials. The fireplace mantels from the upper floors will be reinstalled as construction comes to an end.
The first-floor layout is quite interesting. When you come in from the garage, there is a storage area for the resident's stuff. Then there is a stairway to the basement. After that, there is a hallway intersection. If you go one way, you'll end up in the resident elevator/stair lobby. Go the other way, you'll end up passing by a bathroom and kitchenette before entering into the retail space.
For the commercial space, they are putting down hardwood floors right now and are in negotiations with a Brentwood based company to move into the commercial space. It will have to be a small firm so we will see who it is.
Below are photos of the lights in the hallway leading to the resident elevator/stair lobby.
The stairs in the building are original according to Barry (so 1887). They'll be cleaned prior to the building opening in the next month or two.
Upstairs, there is a neat stair railing detail. The stairs let you off just across the hallway from the elevator lobby.
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The second and third-floor layouts are identical so photos of the floor layout are from the 2nd floor.
To the right of the stairs will be a private room with a deck. The room right above it will be a bedroom for the "unit" I'll call it. The hardwood flooring is all original too.
The remainder of the 2nd and 3rd floors is a large unit with a kitchen, dining room, bedroom, bathroom, and living room. There are original doorways that are being incorporated into the unit design.
The curved glass will be installed in the next week. You can see how the floor layout was meant for office space since this building was made that way years ago. So a majority of the floor layout retained its original character.
The views are great too. Below is a view from the second-floor deck.
And below are views facing North and West from the 3rd Floor living room.
Overall, they paid close attention to detail and are trying to bring the building into the 21st century without messing up the past. This is a great redevelopment project.
I also talked to them about the potential of an infill building at 902 South 4th. They said that they want to wind down operations after this project and basically retire from developing/redeveloping anything. Plus, they said that Imos wants to cut a drive-thru window there which would prevent a new building from being built. Imo's is a top renter and they don't want to lose them. So it's a shame but Imo's money talks and Carl always gets what he wants.
The second and third-floor layouts are identical so photos of the floor layout are from the 2nd floor.
To the right of the stairs will be a private room with a deck. The room right above it will be a bedroom for the "unit" I'll call it. The hardwood flooring is all original too.
The remainder of the 2nd and 3rd floors is a large unit with a kitchen, dining room, bedroom, bathroom, and living room. There are original doorways that are being incorporated into the unit design.
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The views are great too. Below is a view from the second-floor deck.
And below are views facing North and West from the 3rd Floor living room.
Overall, they paid close attention to detail and are trying to bring the building into the 21st century without messing up the past. This is a great redevelopment project.
I also talked to them about the potential of an infill building at 902 South 4th. They said that they want to wind down operations after this project and basically retire from developing/redeveloping anything. Plus, they said that Imos wants to cut a drive-thru window there which would prevent a new building from being built. Imo's is a top renter and they don't want to lose them. So it's a shame but Imo's money talks and Carl always gets what he wants.
Bachelor pad? Views of Busch stadium for pre game cocktail, easy walk to game, grab drinks at BPV after the game and a White Castle when you head home to finish off a home game. On top of it, pizza joint without having to even get in the car and wait in line at the drive thru. I bet you can even buy a six pack across the street!! Ok, might need to get out more myself but couldn't help think how a single guy would love this place. Especially if parents had season tickets to the Cardinals