I too think TJ will win, unless her daddy's legal woes grow worse.
I hate to stick my toe into this cesspool, but here goes:
Virvus does his daughter no favors by speaking on her behalf.
Virvus does his daughter no favors by speaking on her behalf.
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And if it's true that he helped steer city contracts to his GF, then it's a whole new ballgame.framer wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025I hate to stick my toe into this cesspool, but here goes:
Virvus does his daughter no favors by speaking on her behalf.
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My thoughts before the snowstorm and travel stories were that Jones would have a tougher time getting reelected than many on here.
I dont want to wade into the Jones family stuff either but can the guy just keep his mouth shut for his daughter's sake?
I dont want to wade into the Jones family stuff either but can the guy just keep his mouth shut for his daughter's sake?
I don't know. I haven't seen her make an announcement on it one way or the other.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025Did I miss the Mayor’s opposition to such bill? Not seeing it reported anywhere.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025Auggie people have given you reasoned answers as to why they want to give Spencer a chance as Mayor.
I mentioned Spencer's sponsorship of the bill to impound the vehicles of reckless drivers. I think drivers blasting through lights, drag racing and "blocking the block" in our central business district hampers downtown development and tourism. If curtailing that behavior is not important to you fine. But it's an example of Spencer showing leadership that this mayor has lacked in my opinion.
I don't think Jones has been a disaster as Mayor and many on here might be surprised to see me defending her from the irratiinal haters on Nextdoor.
But I think we can do better. Jones has made some unforced errors that I think Spencer would avoid. I could be wrong betting on that. But you could be wrong betting on a second Jones term.
It's the insinuation that anyone who supports a challenger to this mayor must be motivated by race and the obsession with who someone voted for mayor 20 years ago that gets old.
I brought it up as an example of Spencer showing leadership that we need in a mayor. Jones again (like Kim Gardner and the snowstorm) shows she is skow to respond.
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Kim Gardner was elected with the overwhelming support of voters - don’t know what to tell you there. Not the Mayor’s fault.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025I don't know. I haven't seen her make an announcement on it one way or the other.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025Did I miss the Mayor’s opposition to such bill? Not seeing it reported anywhere.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025Auggie people have given you reasoned answers as to why they want to give Spencer a chance as Mayor.
I mentioned Spencer's sponsorship of the bill to impound the vehicles of reckless drivers. I think drivers blasting through lights, drag racing and "blocking the block" in our central business district hampers downtown development and tourism. If curtailing that behavior is not important to you fine. But it's an example of Spencer showing leadership that this mayor has lacked in my opinion.
I don't think Jones has been a disaster as Mayor and many on here might be surprised to see me defending her from the irratiinal haters on Nextdoor.
But I think we can do better. Jones has made some unforced errors that I think Spencer would avoid. I could be wrong betting on that. But you could be wrong betting on a second Jones term.
It's the insinuation that anyone who supports a challenger to this mayor must be motivated by race and the obsession with who someone voted for mayor 20 years ago that gets old.
I brought it up as an example of Spencer showing leadership that we need in a mayor. Jones again (like Kim Gardner and the snowstorm) shows she is skow to respond.
And it’s not the mayor’s job to propose board bills as the mayor is not on the board.
Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has lots city-wide leadership experience (beyond her service as Mayor), I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has lots city-wide leadership experience (beyond her service as Mayor), I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
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Father defends daughter against attacks = bad dad.framer wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025I hate to stick my toe into this cesspool, but here goes:
Virvus does his daughter no favors by speaking on her behalf.
What a country
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A significant percentage of voters have voted along racial lines on both sides for decades. Tishaura benefits from this too. It’s nothing new.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has actual city-wide leadership (beyond her service as Mayor) I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
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And if you can’t see the difference between white people and black people voting on racial lines, you’re a damn fool.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025A significant percentage of voters have voted along racial lines on both sides for decades. Tishaura benefits from this too. It’s nothing new.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has actual city-wide leadership (beyond her service as Mayor) I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
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It requires a greater intellect to actually explain what you think the difference is, rather than just calling a stranger on a forum a fool, but give it a try.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:And if you can’t see the difference between white people and black people voting on racial lines, you’re a damn fool.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025A significant percentage of voters have voted along racial lines on both sides for decades. Tishaura benefits from this too. It’s nothing new.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has actual city-wide leadership (beyond her service as Mayor) I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
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No, it doesn’t. You apparently made the choice to sleep through history class. It’s not everyone else’s job to educate you on why your position is stupid.
Go read a book. You can start with Alex Haley. Then maybe move on to Nikole Hannah. If those are too academic for you you can try Zinn’s People’s History.
Go read a book. You can start with Alex Haley. Then maybe move on to Nikole Hannah. If those are too academic for you you can try Zinn’s People’s History.
It's not your job, but for the sake of everyone on this forum please explain. The city depends on it.
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I didn’t even say there was or wasn’t a difference in black vs white people voting along racial lines. Only that it’s a fact that this happens in St Louis Mayoral elections.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:No, it doesn’t. You apparently made the choice to sleep through history class. It’s not everyone else’s job to educate you on why your position is stupid.
Go read a book. You can start with Alex Haley. Then maybe move on to Nikole Hannah. If those are too academic for you you can try Zinn’s People’s History.
You just immediately attack my intelligence anyway. Awful tempting to take the bait on your personal attacks. But I’m not gonna do it.
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This is you hand waiving about white people voting on racial linesDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025A significant percentage of voters have voted along racial lines on both sides for decades. Tishaura benefits from this too. It’s nothing new.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has actual city-wide leadership (beyond her service as Mayor) I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
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And the cycle continues. A few Jones supporters on here claim Spencer supporters have no valid reasons not to reelect the mayor. Spencer supporters bring up legitimate areas where in their opinion Spencer has shown leadership on issues the voters care about while the incumbent has been slow to respond. Jones supporters claim Spencer supporters are being "vague!" and only about "vibes". Followed by coded or direct accusations of racism from one or two commenters.
I don't know what to tell you. If it were such a slam dunk for Jones why isn't she winning this going away? STL has given huge majorities to African American mayoral candidates in the past so the racism angle isn't working here.
The proof will be in the pudding--err--ballots on March 1. And from there whoever of the top 2 overperformed in the preliminary will have the wind at their back for April. If Butler or (less likely) Andrew Jones overperforms the rush will be on to court those voters.
I don't know what to tell you. If it were such a slam dunk for Jones why isn't she winning this going away? STL has given huge majorities to African American mayoral candidates in the past so the racism angle isn't working here.
The proof will be in the pudding--err--ballots on March 1. And from there whoever of the top 2 overperformed in the preliminary will have the wind at their back for April. If Butler or (less likely) Andrew Jones overperforms the rush will be on to court those voters.
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It’s not. I’m just saying that’s what happens.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:This is you hand waiving about white people voting on racial linesDebaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025A significant percentage of voters have voted along racial lines on both sides for decades. Tishaura benefits from this too. It’s nothing new.JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Anyway, it sounds like the anti-jones camp is most disgruntled about vague, non-quantifiable attributes like “leadership” and general vibes.
And given the Mayor’s platform is substantively nearly identical to her rival and that the Mayor has actual city-wide leadership (beyond her service as Mayor) I stand by my position that a significant motivating factor pushing the pro-Spencer/anti-Jones camp is racial bias.
I think anyone who defaults to voting along racial lines would be better served by casting a more informed vote.
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Just a reminder here that Virvus Jones is a tax fraud felon. FELON, 1995
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Virvus Jones isn’t running for Mayor.whitherSTL wrote:Just a reminder here that Virvus Jones is a tax fraud felon. FELON, 1995
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Of course Virvus Jones isn't running for Mayor. But do you honestly think he gains his daughter any votes when he makes the news?
He wants to do her a favor he leaves town until mid April.
He wants to do her a favor he leaves town until mid April.
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He is a liability for his daughter. But it doesn’t make sense for him to impact your vote at all.
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But if he had influence in getting his GF city contracts we have an issue. IF
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Just as Bob Clark should not impact anyone's vote at all.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Jan 31, 2025He is a liability for his daughter. But it doesn’t make sense for him to impact your vote at all.
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If Cara is going to be a puppet for Bob, I think it should affect your vote. I don’t feel strongly that’s the case though. It’s worth watching how he influences her campaign over the coming weeks though, given the size of his donation.
I didn't say he was a bad dad; I said that he's a political liability.