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The bigger effect may be on regional residents who are entering or are in the later stages of their careers, he said. The group spanning 55 to 59 years old dropped by 17,730 people, representing the biggest regional population drop of any age group between 2020 and 2022.
“These are people that are in senior positions, that are going to other cities, probably for better jobs,” Sandoval said. “Probably retiring in other locations, not here in St. Louis.”

Younger people also exited the region. The group 25 to 29 years old had the second-highest decline at 9,205, and children 19 and younger also left by the thousands. This represents both families leaving and those approaching the ages where they start having children or may be considering it, he said.

quincunx wrote:Not good.

Stl PR - St. Louis’ urban core is shedding people and causing challenges for the entire region

The bigger effect may be on regional residents who are entering or are in the later stages of their careers, he said. The group spanning 55 to 59 years old dropped by 17,730 people, representing the biggest regional population drop of any age group between 2020 and 2022.
“These are people that are in senior positions, that are going to other cities, probably for better jobs,” Sandoval said. “Probably retiring in other locations, not here in St. Louis.”

Younger people also exited the region. The group 25 to 29 years old had the second-highest decline at 9,205, and children 19 and younger also left by the thousands. This represents both families leaving and those approaching the ages where they start having children or may be considering it, he said.

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/economy ... ire-region

brianadler6545 wrote: ↑

Jul 21, 2023

quincunx wrote:Not good.

Stl PR - St. Louis’ urban core is shedding people and causing challenges for the entire region

The bigger effect may be on regional residents who are entering or are in the later stages of their careers, he said. The group spanning 55 to 59 years old dropped by 17,730 people, representing the biggest regional population drop of any age group between 2020 and 2022.
“These are people that are in senior positions, that are going to other cities, probably for better jobs,” Sandoval said. “Probably retiring in other locations, not here in St. Louis.”

Younger people also exited the region. The group 25 to 29 years old had the second-highest decline at 9,205, and children 19 and younger also left by the thousands. This represents both families leaving and those approaching the ages where they start having children or may be considering it, he said.

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/economy ... ire-region

It’s completely incorrect reporting re downtown population figures and I just tried to let them know now


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quincunx wrote:I noticed that too. I think they were talking about office population.

It's possible Orlando and Charlotte could surpass St. Louis next July, when U.S. Census Bureau estimates are released, said Ness Sandoval, associate professor of sociology at SLU.

Using data from the Census Bureau and its Annual and Cumulative Estimates of the Components of Resident Population Change for Counties in the United States, an analysis from Sandoval shows St. Louis as the 21st largest metro, with 2.8 million residents in 2022. Orlando had 2.76 million residents, and Charlotte 2.75 million. St. Louis' problem, though, is twofold, according to the analysis: Its natural population change last year was -2,714, meaning it saw more deaths than births. And it saw net migration of -8,142, with net international migration of 4,951 and domestic migration of -13,093. The metro lost 11,158 residents for 2022, while Orlando gained 64,983 and Charlotte 50,411. Austin, population 2.42 million, gained 62,985 residents, and Las Vegas, population 2.3 million, gained 27,791 residents.
"No one should be surprised if it happens," Sandoval said of Orlando and Charlotte passing St. Louis. "It will happen. If not next July, it's the next one."
As for the significance of such an event, Sandoval pointed to recent studies that didn't include St. Louis, since it isn't a top 20 metro. One by Gallup, he said, dealt with the safest metros.
"St. Louis wasn't in the discussion," he said.
Results like that mean that "my generation knows St. Louis, maybe millennials know it, but the younger generation, nobody talks about St. Louis," he said, also citing St. Louis' loss of the National Football League's Rams to Los Angeles in 2016.
Kansas City, he said, often gets mention for the Chiefs and, by contrast, is growing some.

"Losing the football team, I don't think we truly understood what that meant," Sandoval said. "When you are no longer part of the imagination of young people, you lose this national discourse."

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Man, with all the negative things we hear out of the BJ, I can’t help but worry it’s considering a move to a Nashville, ATL, or some other hot sunbelt city.

RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑

Oct 10, 2023

Back in 1970, St. Louis had the 10th-largest metro in the United States; by the end of this decade, it'll probably be in the mid-20s. 

I hope that St. Louis can do something to start growing again, and to become attractive again. There has to be a way. 

STLEnginerd wrote: ↑

Oct 10, 2023

IMHO i don't see perception to be a major driver or deterrent to emigration.

As I see it, the solution is fairly straightforward but the political current runs in the opposite direction (at least at the state and federal level).  They simply need to increase foreign born immigration into the city and near east suburbs.  The population will never be replenished with emigrants and population birthrates aren't moving anytime soon either.  New blood needs to come from outside our borders. The afghan resettlement is a good model, but it needs to be scaled up 10-20x.  If the state wanted St. Louis to be demographically heathy they would financially support scaling those programs.

The other option is wait for climate change and resource scarcity (like fresh water shortages) to drive people back out of the sunbelt.

1) The actual city and several suburbs need to to pick up their trash, plain and simple.

2) The corruption that is so rampant in the city and county needs to be cleaned up.

3) The fragmentation needs to be cleaned up.

4) And most importantly, crime needs to be cleaned up. Perception is reality.

All good things but i don't see any of these really drive emigration, or domestic birthrates.

goat314 wrote: ↑

Oct 09, 2023

Sandoval makes some good points. We hate to admit it, but losing the Rams was a major blow for the region. I've actually met people out of town and when I tell them I'm from St. Louis, they've actually mentioned the Rams or they will comment on how they heard it's a really rough place to live. We don't like to hear these things, but that's the honest national reputation we have. Either dangerous, racist hellhole city, or flyover country with zero culture. The Mike Brown/Ferguson fiasco also did a considerable amount of damage to our reputation too. Still it seems that leadership in the region continues to not really address these issues head on. The region should be doing everything it can to attract international immigrants (who have no preconceived notion or bias against the region), invest heavily into Black neighborhoods in the region (a lot of the loss is coming from the black community and unfortunately a lot of the talented/educated black populace), and go all in on revitalization of the urban core (I mean have a real plan and subsidize it all if you have to, it's really that serious of a situation for our region, because I could seriously see St. Louis doing a nose dive in population at that regional level and that would be catastrophic.  

goat314 wrote: ↑

Oct 09, 2023

Sandoval makes some good points. We hate to admit it, but losing the Rams was a major blow for the region. I've actually met people out of town and when I tell them I'm from St. Louis, they've actually mentioned the Rams or they will comment on how they heard it's a really rough place to live. We don't like to hear these things, but that's the honest national reputation we have. Either dangerous, racist hellhole city, or flyover country with zero culture. The Mike Brown/Ferguson fiasco also did a considerable amount of damage to our reputation too. Still it seems that leadership in the region continues to not really address these issues head on. The region should be doing everything it can to attract international immigrants (who have no preconceived notion or bias against the region), invest heavily into Black neighborhoods in the region (a lot of the loss is coming from the black community and unfortunately a lot of the talented/educated black populace), and go all in on revitalization of the urban core (I mean have a real plan and subsidize it all if you have to, it's really that serious of a situation for our region, because I could seriously see St. Louis doing a nose dive in population at that regional level and that would be catastrophic.