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PostJan 14, 2020#376

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So yes, it's a bit of a buzz kill to say "But Shed is WAAAAY better." Sure. We all know that. Who cares? I doubt I ever visit Shed again. Been there once. Once was enough. The zoo is vastly cooler and I don't go there that often. When in Chicago I have better things to do. But something local? I could see myself getting down there with a niece or nephew.
Except, I never said anything like that...It has nothing to do with city comparisons and all of the inevitable ruffled rube feathers, or with killing buzzes, bursting bubbles, or harshing anyone's mellow. 

Again, the top nonprofit and for-profit aquatic zoos aren't comparable.  All of the large nonprofits are scientific research institutions, much like the Saint Louis Zoo and Missouri Botanical Garden.  They employ scientists and researchers, have breeding and conservation programs, fund and conduct studies and research missions. etc.  And wealthy individuals and corporations sponsor and donate to them, for those reasons and others.  They wouldn't exist otherwise.  

No for-profit enterprise is going to build a large aquarium like National Aquarium in Baltimore, Georgia Aquarium, Monterey Bay, Shedd, etc., not in St. Louis or in any other city in this hemisphere, because it would never be profitable.  And conversely, the for-profit aquarium is much smaller in size because that "nets" the highest ROI.

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PostJan 14, 2020#377

So kind of Union station kind of blues related question. I went to the game today and normally park at in the garage at 18th and chestnut. It was a madhouse getting to get in there, I never remember it that bad. Is it just because they blues are getting more attendance or are that many people parking there and going to Union Station?

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PostJan 14, 2020#378

"Again, the top nonprofit and for-profit aquatic zoos aren't comparable."  


As I stated, St. Louis now has 3rd or 4th largest aquarium in the Midwest.

It is a fact that stands and will not change until Detroit or some other city builds or expands an aquarium.

"All of the large nonprofits are scientific research institutions, much like the Saint Louis Zoo and Missouri Botanical Garden.  They employ scientists and researchers, have breeding and conservation programs, fund and conduct studies and research missions. etc.  And wealthy individuals and corporations sponsor and donate to them, for those reasons and others.  They wouldn't exist otherwise."  

As I stated, St. Louis now has 3rd or 4th largest aquarium in the Midwest.

It is a fact that stands and will not change until Detroit or some other city builds or expands an aquarium.

"No for-profit enterprise is going to build a large aquarium like National Aquarium in Baltimore, Georgia Aquarium, Monterey Bay, Shedd, etc., not in St. Louis or in any other city in this hemisphere, because it would never be profitable.  And conversely, the for-profit aquarium is much smaller in size because that "nets" the highest ROI."

As I stated, St. Louis now has 3rd or 4th largest aquarium in the Midwest.

It is a fact that stands and will not change until Detroit or some other city builds or expands an aquarium.

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PostJan 29, 2020#380

Finally had a flight that took me directly over downtown at night (it's been a while, seems like I am always coming in over St. Chuck) and I was surprised at how bright the LED lights are on the Ferris Wheel. Wow! It's bright from the ground but it really stands out from the air. With the MLS stadium coming soon that area will really look different compared to 5 years ago.

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PostFeb 07, 2020#381

Aquarium sold 60,000 season tickets in the first 30 days of operation.

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PostFeb 07, 2020#382

^Anyone know how that compares to, say, Six Flags?  

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PostFeb 08, 2020#383

On the Lebatard show yesterday Joe Buck said he was with his 1 1/2 year old twins at the St. Louis aquarium and they were having a blast. Little shout out.

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PostFeb 10, 2020#384

The Aquarium is now a 3.5 on Google.

It had been a 3.0 not too long ago.

Hopefully, it can climb above 4.0.

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PostFeb 16, 2020#385

All the aquarium tickets available today (750 per hour) are sold out for the day....

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PostMay 01, 2020#386

The former Union Station Cinema (underneath 64/40, behind the office buildings) is being demolished this month, beginning May 4th. Not sure what's replacing it.

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PostMay 02, 2020#387

LithiumAneurysm wrote:
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The former Union Station Cinema (underneath 64/40, behind the office buildings) is being demolished this month, beginning May 4th. Not sure what's replacing it.
I'll go ahead and place my wager on a surface parking lot...

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PostMay 02, 2020#388

I never even knew that was there growing up.  Wow.

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PostOct 29, 2020#390

^That's not a terrible idea. If the ridership is down low enough to provide the slots, anyway. They could invite restaurants to host events. They keep their ticket price. The restaurant keeps their food and beverage sales. Everybody wins.

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PostOct 29, 2020#391

I would pay $150+ for this for a special occasion like an anniversary or whatnot.

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PostOct 29, 2020#392

This year's Polar Express will remain stationary under the train shed. Masks required, etc. 

https://www.stlthepolarexpressride.com/ ... Experience

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PostFeb 01, 2021#393

Not sure where else to put this, but the Union Plaza Square office building at 325 South 21st has sold according to a post on the Sansone Group's LinkedIn. No cost or anything was shared but they say this...
Sansone Group's Office Brokerage team is proud to announce their representation of BENHR, Inc. on the sale of this 43,000 SF office building, known as Union Square Plaza, in Downtown St. Louis.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sansone- ... 04384-2_J0

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PostFeb 01, 2021#394

It’s going to be used the mls team, I don’t know if it’s permanent or a temporary, I’d guess permanent since the building along market has been down sized

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PostFeb 02, 2021#395

Here's the marketing brochure:

Sansone Group - Union Square Plaza (pdf)

It doesn't say anything about the Upper Limits rock climbing gym, but lists as available: 3,708 sf office space on the 5th Floor, 11,381 sf on the 4th, and 11,851 sf (variously described as retail, event, or creative space) on the 1st floor and mezzanine. Maybe the latter is the old club space, Liquid, or whatever it was - I guess there were several different clubs in there over the years.

I hope the gym isn't planning on shutting down, bit it wouldn't be surprising. Either way, I'd think this building is going to need a lot of work to get it up to CITY HQ standards.

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PostFeb 02, 2021#396

How often is that short rail spur to the east of this building used?

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PostFeb 02, 2021#397

Laife Fulk wrote:
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How often is that short rail spur to the east of this building used?
It's Amtrak's turnaround track, so a lot, apparently (or so I was informed on this forum).

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PostJun 11, 2024#398

St. Louis Union Station announces expansion plans, for opening summer of 2025, with color renderings. To be added to The St. Louis Wheel amusement park:

-Mini-Spinning Coaster- 22 feet High
-42 seat swinging Pirate Ship
-Wave Chair Swinger- 43 feet High
-A game midway
-More concession stands

What's Coming Union Station

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PostJun 11, 2024#399

Site plan
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PostJun 12, 2024#400

Sure would be a great time to develop that lot across 20th.

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