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BL211 wrote:They are just looking to validate their decision to live in little boxes made of ticky tacky.

Now that song is in my head. Curse you.

I wonder if those people realize that without the city there would be no Cardinals, no Blues, no Rams, no Art Museum, no World Class zoo, No Forest Park, no Mardi Gras, No FOX Theater, no City Museum, no History Museum, etc. Without the city there would be no Italian restaurants on the Hill. There would be no Soulard Farmer's Market. Most of St. Louis' culture is in the city. Of course, there's University City. But that's "touching the line."



I get to St. Louis a few times a year and I probably know as much about the city as half the people that comment there. I know I love the city. There's just a feeling in the city of energy and people doing stuff. I know that sounds weird, but here, in the middle of the night, you get a feeling that you're the only awake person within a 15 mile radius.



These posters on STLToday are unfortunately amazing. Their purposeful ignorance can be astounding. Do these people realize that if there had been no St. Louis city, then they would have nothing to run away from?



I love the city lights. Where I live, other than street lights, everything shuts down at 9.



The suburbs have a purpose. And I can see people moving there for schools and such. But the city doesn't seem to be that terrible. I'm sure the city still has great neighbors. I'm sure the city still has many of the things that the suburbs, too. Sure, the city has some abandoned buildings (how many of course depends on the neighborhood). But the buildings in the city (at least most I've seen) are built to last. Most of the newer buildings in the suburbs seem to be built cheaply, with no long-term plans.



Just my $.02.

Matt Drops The H wrote:For example, the group could be Citizens Opposed to Posting Stupidity. Stltoday.com COPS.

There are a lot of great suggestions in this thread, but this one is my favorite since we have to "police" those forums on a regular basis.



BTW, nice job of completely dismantling the anti-city wingnuts in the comments section following the article about the multiple homicides on Sunday.



Notice how very few people that posted comments actually acknowledged the tragedies within the article and immediately started ranting against city living? It only highlights their ignorance and indifference. We may never change their minds, as they are too narrow and/or too small, but we can work to put a stop to the never-ending anti-city drivel by continuously countering this nonsense. I also think it's important to focus on pointing out the positive aspects of city living, i.e., don't stoop to the level of these people by denigrating suburban living.



Personally, I've learned to ignore this stuff and I rarely comment on anything I read on StLtoday.com no matter how much it may offend me, but I'm glad there are some of you that are in the habit of eloquently dismantling these vacuous and pointless anti-city tirades.

Can you imagine how much fun it is to try to moderate those blogs and forums? It just reinforces my faith in human nature.

bonwich wrote:Can you imagine how much fun it is to try to moderate those blogs and forums? It just reinforces my faith in human nature.

No, Joe, I cannot imagine.



The only way I can maintain faith in human nature after sifting through the STLtoday.com rubbish is by telling myself for every person that says something so ignorant, there are at least one hundred people, maybe more, that don't share their narrow-minded views or their pessimistic outlook on life. I think Greg Freeman's Front Porch proved years ago that city and suburban dwellers alike can be passionate about St. Louis, and most of the time, they can even get along quite well.

I enjoyed looking through the comments today and seeing all the city lovers take on the trash talk. We need to SICK EM when they post and take over those posts!



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MidcoastSTL wrote:I enjoyed looking through the comments today and seeing all the city lovers take on the trash talk. We need to SICK EM when they post and take over those posts!



Citizens

Interested

In

City



Empowerment

Multiplied



CIIC EM (Sick Em)

I like it!

I love living in the city. Hate going out of the city. Think twice before I go to the county.



But surely you do understand that there is a ghetto element in the city. That's not poor people. That's not black people. That is trashy people --thugs, pimps 'n hos & wannabes and yes they do hang out at Schnuck's Lindell and pretty much ruined Schnucks Grand/Gravois for me. And I'm not a real picky person.

I prefer to support our DT neighborhood and shop at Culinaria but I really don't understand what the issue is with the Lindell Schnucks. Most posters are pro-city so why would they want a store that is lily white with absolutely no diversity. If they have enough time to pass up one Schnucks in order to find one up to their standards, perhaps they should keep their foot on the pedal until they hit the county. I also have shopped at the Lindell Schnucks for years and have never had any problems what so ever. The worst thing I can think of is someone asking me for money in the parking lot and that is pretty rare. As a matter of fact, they have cleaned the store up quite a bit, the managers walk around and ask customers if they need help with anything, they seem to have more check out lines open. Also, I noticed they recently added a small Indian food section (hey, it's a start). All good signs. I don't know why everyone is so hard on this Schnucks and calling it "Ghetto" is just down right offensive.

^I don't get it either. I shop Lindell fairly regularily, and have never had any problems.

How did this thread become about Culinaria v. Lindell Schnucks

A body was found this morning in Forest Park, police say there is nothing suspicious about the death and foul play is not suspected at all.



Of course that didn't stop the first two posters from remarking that Forest Park is no longer safe and everyone should avoid it. Luckily enough others came on to give these nimrods a verbal beat down!

Doing my part to save the STLToday Blogs:



My response:



"I'll tell you what is not a safe park - Cuivre River State Park out in Troy, the western suburbs. Two homicides - completely unrelated, have happened in that park this year. The first body in Forest Park was found dumped there and this one is being ruled as natural causes. I feel safer in the city's premier city park (lots of people, places, events, open spaces, and patrols... more than I do anyday out in the suburbs parks and records show this is true. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stori ... -homicide/"

I'm sorry about my part in talking about the Lindell Schnucks on this thread. Because it's a topic that keeps popping up, apparently it is an issue that still needs to be addressed. The unfortunate deaths in the city whether they be natural or criminal will always have STLtoday commenters spewing ignorance and painting the city in an unfavorable light. If they can't do it there they are apparently in the okay to similarly pick on the 10,000 (?) square foot space on Lindell? What's the difference?

southsidepride wrote:A body was found this morning in Forest Park, police say there is nothing suspicious about the death and foul play is not suspected at all.



Of course that didn't stop the first two posters from remarking that Forest Park is no longer safe and everyone should avoid it. Luckily enough others came on to give these nimrods a verbal beat down!

And now the truth comes out that the decedent was a patient who appears to have either been improperly discharged or left AMA from Barnes (the P-D doesn't say which) and wandered into the park but that still doesn't stop these clowns from coming in and saying the park is unsafe.

Is it me or does the Post have articles like this for the sole purpose of ginning up the commenters?



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... mentAnchor



The comments were predictable, I'll give you the Cliff Notes version if you don't have the stomach to read the real thing--folks who probably have no idea where LaSalle Park is in the first place commenting about how it's a crime ridden pit, bragging about never going anywhere without their gun (probably overcompensating for their lack of firepower in the trousers), and of course playing the reverse racism card and speculating what would happen if the races were reversed in the situation (hint: Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's travel itinerary are speculated upon)



Thankfully a couple of LaSalle residents pointed out their stupidity.

I don't know where to start with this one. From this thread about Whittaker (developer of New Town) filing for bankruptcy reorg.

Matt Drops The H wrote:That article seemed irresponsible to me. It's not "news" that the victims received no help from neighbors. That's already been reported. Nowhere in the article do I see an articulation of the lack of help being willful or race-driven, as an earlier article insinuated.

I thought some valid points were brought up in the article...particularly the comments that the sociology professor from Saint Louis University made about social capital and the lack of trust among some residents in diverse neighborhoods. I value living in a diverse neighborhood, but I can tell you from personal experiences that it's not quite as simple as some might believe to bring residents together in that type of setting. YMMV.



That said, I don't think anyone can or should attempt to draw any conclusions about why Mrs. Whitrock's neighbors didn't come to her rescue. There are simply too many variables to arrive at anything beyond conjecture at best, or racially-tinged vitriol at worst (P-D comments are mostly the latter). And, as Mrs. Whitrock said, a neighbor's response probably wouldn't have made enough difference in time to save her daughter's life anyway. (Sad, but true.)



Also, I may be reading too much into this, and I can't put my finger on what irks me, but something about Alderwoman Young's statements in the article rubs me the wrong way. I completely agree that LaSalle Park is a safe neighborhood, and I think she did well to set the record straight. I just think she seems a bit too indifferent to the fact that an innocent person in her neighborhood was randomly and brutally murdered. But hey, at least everyone gets along well.

I actually found this on STLtoday, but I found it to be fitting.

I really don’t know why most of the posters on these boards live in Missouri or St. Louis…

I can see why seniors move here… and crime? Phoenix, Miami and Atlanta have far worse crime that STL! Get real… you posters live in a bubble of nauseating negativity!

— Greg Dawson

2:42 pm October 23rd, 2009

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/mound- ... mment-3302



The bolded part especially.