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PostMay 31, 2007#26

Publicly traded companies are taken private all the time.

In fact, it often makes them a MORE likely candidate for a take over since a private equity firm can buy them out, restructure the business, and then take them public again with a large IPO and make a killing.

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PostMay 31, 2007#27

Arch City wrote:A gloomy comment from the P-D forums:


"Sad to see St. Louis loose another corporate HQ. Seems that the St. Louis area is on the decline and its happening way too fast. The once proud St. Louis is now nothing more then a 2nd rate back office processing center for Mega-Companies. How sad is that! Where will the good jobs of the future come from. The Gateway to the west is not the Gateway to no Public Corporate HQ’s. It began with Southwestern Bell back in the 80’s and continues today. Thank G-D for companies like Enterprise Rent a Car as they are one of the few bright spots left in our town."


I have news for the poster.....There will be more so brace yourself. Anwyay, with Wachovia having a MAJOR division here, I just don't see this as all bad news. Again, AG Edwards, while a long time institution in St. Louis, was not a F500 company - like May, like Ralston, like SBC, like McDonnell-Douglas. Not that a F1000 loss isn't big, because it is.



But while it is not totally good news, it is not totally bad news either. St. Louis could have been left with a skeleton or shell of a campus. AND there's a good chance for more jobs.



We'll see.


I get the feeling that this is more of a St. Louis pride thing. It seems that many would rather have the headquarters of a Fortune 1000 company with X jobs than a department of a Fortune 100 company with X + 5,000 jobs. Of course we don't know what the job impact will be on St. Louis, but people don't seem to be waiting to find out before lamenting the deal.

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PostMay 31, 2007#28

I think you're right. It's definitely a pride thing, but I also don't think all the gloomy predictions are just sour grapes. If you look at previous situations like this (not just in st louis), it usually does mean a loss of jobs. Once the company is bought, the first thing the buying company does is to try to integrate them and consolidate services to be more profitable. All the support departments are pared down or eliminated, and any duplicate jobs get axed - from the company being bought.



I'm not saying that is what will happen exactly, I hope it's not, but that's usually how it goes down.

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PostMay 31, 2007#29

Time and time again, mergers happen and promises are made: "Oh, we won't close you down..." Then, a year and a half later: "We're closing you down." Sometimes, at the beginning of a deal, the buyer paints a big pretty picture and then, once things settle in, they quit being the nice guy. I'm not saying that they will screw us over, but I can't blame people for being cynical considering that the ones calling the shots now have no personal investment in our city as a city. I think it's just as bad to be unrealistically optimistic as unrealistically pessimistic.

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PostMay 31, 2007#30

stlmike wrote:Time and time again, mergers happen and promises are made: "Oh, we won't close you down..." Then, a year and a half later: "We're closing you down." Sometimes, at the beginning of a deal, the buyer paints a big pretty picture and then, once things settle in, they quit being the nice guy. I'm not saying that they will screw us over, but I can't blame people for being cynical. I think it's just as bad to be unrealistically optimistic as unrealistically pessimistic.
I was going to reply with my views, but they have been condensed here. When a takeover is initiated, the parent company starts the consolidation process, but initially leaves the major operations intact. Within a year, loss of jobs and "hub" of operations (brokerage in this case) may yield bad news.



As someone else put so aptly, there is nothing we can do about this...... apart from trying to be optimistic.

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PostMay 31, 2007#31

Arch City wrote:


I have news for the poster.....There will be more so brace yourself.


Arch City is right.



The rumor is USBank could be a takeover candidate for BoA, WellsFargo, or JPMorgan. And there will be some consolidation in the online brokers so Scottrade would be a possible target (but most of the rumors involve TDAmeritrade or Charles Schwab). So, while not companies that are headquartered in St Louis, their acquisition would still have an effect.

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PostMay 31, 2007#32

So which companies may emerge from St. Louis to takeover other companies? I suppose Enterprise has done this and Express Scripts tried . . .

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PostMay 31, 2007#33

^ That's exactly why so many St Louisans are so down. We hear on this board that "this happens all the time" but wouldn't you like to see it happen in our favor for once?

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PostMay 31, 2007#34

If it makes you feel any better, Stifel Nicolaus recently acquired Ryan Beck, which was a pretty substantial regional brokerage firm.

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stlmike wrote:^ That's exactly why so many St Louisans are so down. We hear on this board that "this happens all the time" but wouldn't you like to see it happen in our favor for once?


AB does it all the time.

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PostMay 31, 2007#36

Good points. It just feels like we've lost a lot of major players and haven't gained as much.

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PostMay 31, 2007#37

If I remember correctly, Peabody and Emerson have both made some acquisitions in the past few years. Companies overseas IIRC.

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PostMay 31, 2007#38

Monsanto has made several acquisitions in the past few years, also.

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PostMay 31, 2007#39

^Monsanto was also acquired and came back as a new company. While I don't see a company bouncing around like that again, it did turn Monsanto into what it is now, and bring Pfizer here.



I am bored right now so I'm taking a look at what people have to say on the stltoday talk of the day. It's actually not all negative, and there is one particularly good response.




We lose a regional brokerage and gain a dominating national one. We keep the talent and the headquarters.

This is not simply a loss by M&A.



Saint Louis has just landed the second-largest brokerage firm in the country.

Wow. Really, wow.

The HQ will be at One Jefferson Avenue in Saint Louis, not in VA or NC or even Manhattan. Central operations for the combined entity, much larger than the sum of its parts, will provide for an infusion of top talent (that will fill the recent additions) while increasing the prestige of the region.



Remember, Saint Louis is home to four major brokerage headquarters:

1. A.G. Edwards / Wachovia Securities.

2. Edward Jones.

3. Stifel Nicolaus / Legg Mason.

4. Scottrade.



Today’s merger further increases the strength of the local business cluster, increasing the city’s competencies in the industry, with new people coming in and a wider array of clients and distribution networks. The firm’s main competencies compliment each other, thus making the new Wachovia Securities more powerful than either company solo, and the Saint Louis metro area is stronger with this. Organic growth for AGE would not be able to produce this opportunity for the firm, and AGE was smart to make the deal (doubtful WB would’ve pursued a stock buyout or non-traditional raiding).



Would it have been better for our collective egos if AGE bought out WB?

How would we feel if that happened and the new HQ was in Richmond, VA?



It always hits a little when we watch change like this. However, considering AGE has been a major buyout target since 2000/01, this is as good a deal as we could’ve hoped for. Saint Louis is lucky MWD didn’t buy the company in April 2001 and shuttered much of the local operations, moving talent out of the area like BofA Trust did.



$1.1 Trillion AUM.

15,000 Financial Advisors.

Second largest brokerage operations in the world.

PostMay 31, 2007#40

And another one just because I tend to agree with this sentiment even if I like the big companies.


I’ve quit caring about big established companies, and started paying attention to the startups that are coming up with the next big thing.

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PostMay 31, 2007#41

mophipsi wrote:per the Post Dispatch website this morning...this could be very, very bad for St. Louis.


Or very, very good for St. Louis. Personally, I think that is more likely.

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PostMay 31, 2007#42

buckethead wrote:I think you're right. It's definitely a pride thing, but I also don't think all the gloomy predictions are just sour grapes. If you look at previous situations like this (not just in st louis), it usually does mean a loss of jobs. Once the company is bought, the first thing the buying company does is to try to integrate them and consolidate services to be more profitable. All the support departments are pared down or eliminated, and any duplicate jobs get axed - from the company being bought.


And don't forget that corporations tend to focus their philanthropy and civic involvement where their HQ is. Not that philanthropy is as important as jobs, but it shouldn't be sniffed at either. Look around at how many arts buildings in StL are underwritten by local corporate sponsors. Our arts and public cultural resources depend on us having corporate HQs.

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PostMay 31, 2007#43

^ Good point re philanthropy. Hopefully corporations like ES and Build-A-anythingyoulike will continue StL's proud tradition of corporate philanthropy.

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buckethead wrote:If I remember correctly, Peabody and Emerson have both made some acquisitions in the past few years. Companies overseas IIRC.


^Agreed. St. Louis companies acquire companies all of the time. Belden CDT, Emerson, Olin, Savvis, Sigma-Aldrich, Monsanto, Barry-Wehmiller, Precision Foods, Ralcorp, etc.



Barry-Wehmiller is growing fast too.



Also, some people seem to forget that corporations have moved to St. Louis recently.



Olin, which is on the verge of F500 status in a few years

Isle of Capri, could grow back into a F1000 next year.

Westar Corporation, an aerospace company

Hardees, one of America's largest hamburger chains

Abengoa Bioenergy Corporation, (one of the largest biofuels companies in the world)

Centene, which has grown fast into a F1000 company. It moved from Milwaukee.

Solae, a $1.1-billion firm that is likely to be spun off in the future - if not sold.

BayOne, a plastics firm HQ'd downtown - a joint venture between Bayer and PolyOne of Cleveland. Likely to be spun off in the future - if not sold.

Reuters, chose St. Louis for one of its global operations.

Suddenlink, formerly Cebridge Connections, was relocated to St. Louis. It is growing after acquiring many cable systems. It's like the 4th or 5th largest cable company in the nation, but is privately held.



There are other countless relocations and expansions. I personally don't subscribe to the doom and gloom although I am aware of potential setbacks for the local job market and image. Again, this is not necessarily good that St. Louis is losing another HQ, but the gain could more beneficial and prominent.



Hell, we are talking about a MAJOR financial institution with MAJOR operations in St. Louis. Granted AG Edwards was a fairly large firm, the combined Wachovia Securities will be a $1.1-trillion dollar unit. All of that money managed through St. Louis. Having such a large financial unit of such a large banking institution could even spawn support businesses and have other financial institutions looking at St. Louis to set up shop. We'll see.



St. Louis simply has to go with the flow 'cause ultimately it has no choice. The cards in the banking/financial services industry have been getting shuffled for a long time. Consolidations in the banking and financial services industries have been happening steadily since the 80's.

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PostMay 31, 2007#45

Looks like Richmond, Virginia will be the losers.


Wachovia Securities will no longer be based in Richmond....



"We don't know how this will play out," said Tony Mattera, spokesman for Wachovia Securities. "It's too early to be precise about the Imax in the Richmond market."



Daniel J. Ludeman, president and chief executive officer of Wachovia Securities, will retain the title of the combined firm. He will move to St. Louis.



About 3,000 people are employed in the Richmond area at Wachovia Securities. Operations here provide support for all the brokerage offices across the country.


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PostMay 31, 2007#46

Does anyone know if headquartering this division in STL was a requirement by AG Edwards in order to sell to Wachovia? AG Edwards has shown loyalty to STL in the past so I wouldn't be suprised if this was the case.

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MattnSTL wrote:Looks like Richmond, Virginia will be the losers.


Wachovia Securities will no longer be based in Richmond....



"We don't know how this will play out," said Tony Mattera, spokesman for Wachovia Securities. "It's too early to be precise about the Imax in the Richmond market."



Daniel J. Ludeman, president and chief executive officer of Wachovia Securities, will retain the title of the combined firm. He will move to St. Louis.



About 3,000 people are employed in the Richmond area at Wachovia Securities. Operations here provide support for all the brokerage offices across the country.


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^See, while this is definitely not good for Richmond, St. Louis is apparently a major player in the brokerage game with Edwards, Jones and Stifel. Apparently, the decision makers of this acquisition recognize this.



While I feel bad for Richmond, the news seems much brighter for St. Louis despite losing a local company through acquisition.

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PostMay 31, 2007#48

ROCKIN' - Let's hope the city does everything it can to welcome people with open arms. I wish we (at least the more presentable side of 'we') could offer to show people around - I'd love to make sure people know where the Soulard Market, Lafayette Square, CWE, Webster Groves, Kirkwood, even Creve Coeur, etc. are located. I don't believe that Richmond has light rail - an at-grade circulator out Market, over on Jefferson (with a line out Lindell with a loop in Grand Center) and back downtown on Olive to Broadway would rock right now . . . maybe that's another thread. (maybe Wachovia could run a shuttle service from the US stop to the campus!)

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PostMay 31, 2007#49

crbswiss wrote:Does anyone know if headquartering this division in STL was a requirement by AG Edwards in order to sell to Wachovia? AG Edwards has shown loyalty to STL in the past so I wouldn't be suprised if this was the case.
I wondered the same thing. The Edwards family is still involved with the company so I wouldn't doubt it. Plus, with St. Louis being a major brokerage market - Edwards, Jones, Scottrade and Stifel Financial - I am sure that played a part as well.

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stlmike wrote:^ That's exactly why so many St Louisans are so down. We hear on this board that "this happens all the time" but wouldn't you like to see it happen in our favor for once?


AB does it all the time.


They do? They bought Rolling Rock a few months ago, and Harbin 2-3 years ago, but beyond that, I can't recall any major purchases.

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