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Makes me wonder if failure is the only option and could be in part by design. Mess things up on purpose and then say government is the problem in order to justify less government and more tax cuts.

Nice article on Great Streets for Gravois - In Affton

http://www.websterkirkwoodtimes.com/Art ... treet.html

StlToday - Group bike ride on Gravois Avenue seeks to call attention to traffic violence

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 05d64.html

Sounds like MODoT is holding an open house on a Gravois project March 3 from 4-7 pm at the Five Star Senior Center 2832 Arsenal. I don't know a thing about this project, but judging from MODoT's past projects they need all the input we can give them. Here's the post article on it, but there's not much there apart from the notice.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... b899b.html

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

4:40 AM - Feb 18

Sounds like MODoT is holding an open house on a Gravois project March 3 from 4-7 pm at the Five Star Senior Center 2832 Arsenal. I don't know a thing about this project, but judging from MODoT's past projects they need all the input we can give them. Here's the post article on it, but there's not much there apart from the notice.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... b899b.html

Here's the MoDot notification: https://www.modot.org/node/83520

And of note:

For those who are unable to attend the meeting in person, the information shared during the meeting as well as a survey form will be available at Missouri Route 30 (Gravois) Pavement Resurfacing and Safety Improvements in St. Louis City | Missouri Department of Transportation on the day of the meeting. People are welcome to view the information and provide comments about the project until Tuesday, March 17.

And a link to the Project main page: https://www.modot.org/projects/missouri ... louis-city

View From The Lou - MoDOT finally wrote down the reason Gravois stays dangerous.

https://viewfromthelou.substack.com/p/m ... the-reason

 MoDOT finally wrote down the reason Gravois stays dangerous. TY I wondered why it was so wide 

St. Louis failed in spectacular fashion on every single urban planning decision over the last 100 years. You would think there would be at least one urban planning success story just by accident but, no, every single urban planning decision was a huge spectacular failure with massive negative ramifications. Some could conclude that "urban planning" destroyed the city.

Ah yea, MoDOT, famously controlled by St. Louis.

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Yeah yeah. I'm talking about everything in its entirety, the interstates, the failed subway plans, public housing, the Arch (I consider the Arch grounds an urban planning failure), bridges (last 100 years only), and despite it all if you squint and look past a few major flaws it's still pretty damn nice.

leeharveyawesome wrote:Yeah yeah. I'm talking about everything in its entirety, the interstates, the failed subway plans, public housing, the Arch (I consider the Arch grounds an urban planning failure), bridges (last 100 years only), and despite it all if you squint and look past a few major flaws it's still pretty damn nice.

I consider your entire ideology an urban planning disaster.

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The Lost St. Louis Riverfront 1930-1943
https://www.umsl.edu/mercantile/pott/lost-stl-riverfront.html

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12:20 PM - Jun 14

St. Louis failed in spectacular fashion on every single urban planning decision over the last 100 years. You would think there would be at least one urban planning success story just by accident but, no, every single urban planning decision was a huge spectacular failure with massive negative ramifications. Some could conclude that "urban planning" destroyed the city.

We were pretty ahead on Metrolink and Historic Tax Credits. But since those were tiny victories compared to the potential of what they could've been with real leadership....I'll 100% agree with you. 

StL made some good urban planning/revival decisions in the 80s but that’s been about the only period where the city has looked like it may make a dramatic comeback since the 1950s decline. I think a lot of that progress was halted quickly by how much crime escalated in all cities in the US in the early 90s and the narratives around it

There have been small victories but we need huge swings and home runs. I am growing severely concerned where our population in the city has hit and continues to decline at one of the fastest rate in the nation since COVID, together with the county’s population wall and metro east continued decline. The other peers and cities that struggled with decline seems to now be recovering or at least have stopped th COVID drain

StL sq miles is small but we are approaching the population of cities and suburbs that do not have near the economic prowess but we can’t seem to retain residents


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Thanks for sharing. It's not perfect, but it's certainly a start. I'd do anything for protected bike lanes on Gravois, given its connectivity to so many walkable/bikeable neighborhoods... but like I said, great to see progress! Thanks to the mayor and alderwoman for prioritizing this

I don't know if any of you ride buses from hampton transit center at hampton and gravois but that transit center is the most dangerous and convoluted transit center to access. Pedestrian signals don't work on westbound gravois and the transit center is located inside schnucks parking lot and the only way you can reach it, if you are a pedestrian, is via germania.

For context, I have been riding buses for over 20 years. All the other transit centers are easily accessible except for this one. What an irony that pedestrians cannot access it.

^Yeah that's not great, I've not utilized that transit center before. Its in kind of an odd location, other than the Schnucks its not really near anything important, I imagine they just put it there as a place for the City bus routes (30, 90) to turn around. 

This corner has been a transit center for like 100 years. Multiple streetcars used to turn around there, it's only natural that it is still a transit center.

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Gravois/Hampton should be great corridors in the city but they are just car sewers unfortunately. This particular intersection is a little held back by the massive cemetery. I still wish we could think of Light Rail on Gravois

I also wish we had a big master plan for the River Des Peres. The Greenway is a nice feature now, but we can make much more of it

Wilmore Park is very underutilized and forgotten as a city park but it’s nice


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Was a planted median too much to ask for? 

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote:Gravois/Hampton should be great corridors in the city but they are just car sewers unfortunately. This particular intersection is a little held back by the massive cemetery. I still wish we could think of Light Rail on Gravois

I also wish we had a big master plan for the River Des Peres. The Greenway is a nice feature now, but we can make much more of it

Wilmore Park is very underutilized and forgotten as a city park but it’s nice


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Hampton from Nottingham to Loughborough is pretty good.

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2:14 AM - 10 days ago

Was a planted median too much to ask for? 

In MoDOT’s view, yes. Granted the ones they put on Natural Bridge next to Fairgrounds park have grass, but the remainder up there are concrete.

A pedestrian died after being struck by a car on Saturday morning at Gravois and Ohio. Currently when you press the beg button to cross there it takes as long as SEVEN MINUTES for the signal to change (tested yesterday)