I asked a MODOT employee on Thursday if they had any statistics in regards to the number of accidents at different intersections, she said that wasn't part of the process. I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but from what I can remember she said this whole process started with the traffic signals and their timing. I could see with so many signals that keeping traffic moving smoothly could be a challenge.
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http://www.modot.org/stlouis/news_and_i ... sId=201431
The Missouri Department of Transportation will extend the discussions with the city and surrounding neighborhood about updating signals along several intersections of Gravois Road.
Construction on the project will be moved into 2016.
The department’s project is intended to replace and update signals along Gravois Road at Grand, Cherokee, Utah, Compton/Wyoming, Nebraska, California, Lynch/Ohio, McNair, Jefferson, Russell/I-55 and 12th/Geyer/I-55 ramp. These signal improvements would add pedestrian buttons, vehicle detection and ultimately improve the safety and flow of traffic along Gravois in St. Louis City.
The project is being coordinated with a St. Louis City proposal to close several access points to Gravois – including those at six intersections which would be getting signal upgrades as a part of the MoDOT project. The decisions on how neighborhoods access Gravois Road must be made by the city and approved by the board of aldermen.
Reducing the number of entrances to the roadway will reduce the number of places where traffic can turn into or out of Gravois, which will help keep the flow of traffic steadier and will reduce the areas where pedestrians have to cross active roads along Gravois. This, when combined with the updated signals, will increase the time pedestrians have to cross Gravois, and provide more time at signals for traffic crossing over or turning off Gravois.
“We are going to continue working with the neighborhoods and the city leadership to come up with the best plan. We want to make sure information about our signal project and the city’s plans are appropriately and completely communicated. Ultimately, the board of aldermen will have to make a decision and pass a resolution to vacate and close those roads onto Gravois.
Extending this discussion will allow the board of aldermen to make that decision and pass the resolution before we complete the final designs for the project,” said Gregory Horn, MoDOT St. Louis District Engineer.
Michelle Voegele, MoDOT’s new St. Louis City area engineer, will oversee the project and the community outreach efforts.
The Missouri Department of Transportation will extend the discussions with the city and surrounding neighborhood about updating signals along several intersections of Gravois Road.
Construction on the project will be moved into 2016.
The department’s project is intended to replace and update signals along Gravois Road at Grand, Cherokee, Utah, Compton/Wyoming, Nebraska, California, Lynch/Ohio, McNair, Jefferson, Russell/I-55 and 12th/Geyer/I-55 ramp. These signal improvements would add pedestrian buttons, vehicle detection and ultimately improve the safety and flow of traffic along Gravois in St. Louis City.
The project is being coordinated with a St. Louis City proposal to close several access points to Gravois – including those at six intersections which would be getting signal upgrades as a part of the MoDOT project. The decisions on how neighborhoods access Gravois Road must be made by the city and approved by the board of aldermen.
Reducing the number of entrances to the roadway will reduce the number of places where traffic can turn into or out of Gravois, which will help keep the flow of traffic steadier and will reduce the areas where pedestrians have to cross active roads along Gravois. This, when combined with the updated signals, will increase the time pedestrians have to cross Gravois, and provide more time at signals for traffic crossing over or turning off Gravois.
“We are going to continue working with the neighborhoods and the city leadership to come up with the best plan. We want to make sure information about our signal project and the city’s plans are appropriately and completely communicated. Ultimately, the board of aldermen will have to make a decision and pass a resolution to vacate and close those roads onto Gravois.
Extending this discussion will allow the board of aldermen to make that decision and pass the resolution before we complete the final designs for the project,” said Gregory Horn, MoDOT St. Louis District Engineer.
Michelle Voegele, MoDOT’s new St. Louis City area engineer, will oversee the project and the community outreach efforts.
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Sounds like the State is stepping back and telling the City it needs to figure out what it wants.
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Im wondering why Lewis Reed wouldn't let Todd Waelterman have the mic and speak at the townhall....
Im wondering why Lewis Reed wouldn't let Todd Waelterman have the mic and speak at the townhall....
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MoDOT has told the city that they have until October to pretty much get their sh*t together on the street closures and get back on which streets to close. Project is being let in March 2016
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How about we tell MODOT to get their sh*t together and build the complete street we all want instead of a mini highway.
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EWGateway is the one that picks CS candidates but I'm sure modot would listen if you find the $ for a complete street. In the mean time single replacements are coming in March followed by new surface, lane reduction and bike lanes next summer
Dowtown2007, City coming back with some constructive intersection changes in addition to the lane reduction and bike lane sounds like a huge improvement over what is their now. Does not sound like MoDOT is pursuing a mini highway to me. But hey, the easiest thing for the city leadership to do right now would be to raise their hands and blame MoDOT because it requires some decisive and timely action.
Heck, By putting a little more into the bond measure and alderman walking the streets for support might be a funding source to expand the great street corridors within the city limits. A bolder bonding measure might even make the discussion on improving downtown streets and sidewalks a moot point on the other thread. Instead, alderman spent a year squabbling on a bond measure that is not much more than the public school bond measure that passed a few years ago on a relatively smaller infrastructure need. $190 million measure on the August ballot vs. a $150 school bond ballot that passed. On straight number basis, city alderman are putting a bond measure for infrastructure that serves 300,000 people versus school bond measure that serves 30,000 students/teachers/staff.
Heck, By putting a little more into the bond measure and alderman walking the streets for support might be a funding source to expand the great street corridors within the city limits. A bolder bonding measure might even make the discussion on improving downtown streets and sidewalks a moot point on the other thread. Instead, alderman spent a year squabbling on a bond measure that is not much more than the public school bond measure that passed a few years ago on a relatively smaller infrastructure need. $190 million measure on the August ballot vs. a $150 school bond ballot that passed. On straight number basis, city alderman are putting a bond measure for infrastructure that serves 300,000 people versus school bond measure that serves 30,000 students/teachers/staff.
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^ yeah no idea where this "mini highway" idea is coming from. reducing number lanes, adding bike lanes and reducing the width of current lanes to slow down traffic doesn't = mini highway to me 
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Do you think removing all the stoplights is going to slow traffic down or speed it up? In almost all cases it speeds it up.
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Not sure if any are being "removed", main project is to replace outdated stoplights with modern stoplights.
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Big Changes for Gravois May Not Be Big Enough, Trailnet Says
http://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2 ... ilnet-says
http://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2 ... ilnet-says
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^I've been reading local news religiously and daily for the last decade or so, and pedestrian deaths on Gravois seem to happen disturbingly often. It's good that groups like Trailnet are out there.
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Has there been any in the last 5 years? I seem to recall something on grand and Gravois but can't remember when it was
Also as I pointed out on nextstl. This is a city road that the city can do whatever it wants to after MoDOT upgrades the signals and puts down new pavement that's part of a regular maintenance cycle. If the city wants to make this a one lane in each direction that's their call.
Also as I pointed out on nextstl. This is a city road that the city can do whatever it wants to after MoDOT upgrades the signals and puts down new pavement that's part of a regular maintenance cycle. If the city wants to make this a one lane in each direction that's their call.
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^ if the city wants to narrow it, wouldn't it make more sense for MoDOT to hold off on resurfacing and for MoDOT and the city to collaborate on the project? otherwise MoDOT is blowing a bunch of money on resurfacing lanes that are going to be torn up.
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^ reconfiguring lines is erasing and putting new paint down, doesn't require pulling out pavement. The curbs aren't going anywhere. City doesn't have the $ that do the ADA work that would be required ($6-8m)
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I don't believe the city doesn't have the money. They just don't want to allocate the funds for it.
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^ sure it's not a priority for the city
If they touch sidewalks on Gravois it would be with a federal great streets application at east west gateway with city 20% and Feds 80%. But city alone they don't have the $. City streets dept has no money to construct anything. BPS or SLDC does most of the road construction in the city. I guess all the wards up and down Gravois could pool Ward $ but again is Gravois a priority for most wards?
If they touch sidewalks on Gravois it would be with a federal great streets application at east west gateway with city 20% and Feds 80%. But city alone they don't have the $. City streets dept has no money to construct anything. BPS or SLDC does most of the road construction in the city. I guess all the wards up and down Gravois could pool Ward $ but again is Gravois a priority for most wards?
This is a BIG problem and shows why it is critical that the city and county have some sort of merger. The center city is critically important to the health of a metropolitan area, but St. Louis City is too broke to do anything. Maintenance and building of roads should be done at the county level, but unfortunately St. Louis is a poor city without a county.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ sure it's not a priority for the city
If they touch sidewalks on Gravois it would be with a federal great streets application at east west gateway with city 20% and Feds 80%. But city alone they don't have the $. City streets dept has no money to construction anything. BPS or SLDC does most of the road construction in the city. I guess all the wards up and down Gravois could pool Ward $ but again is Gravois a priority for most wards?
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^ City Street DEPT fills pot holes, sweeps streets and plows snow. and if they want to repave a road they have to ask the alderman in that Ward for their preference since it's paid with Ward capital money. It's so bizarre and ripe for corruption and favoritism by alderman. so basically there is no citywide road/sidewalk plan and it's just 28 pieces that don't fit together. I've mentioned to Scott O via Twitter that this is a horrible way to do things and there needs to be a change
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This is what bothers me about paying State Income/Sales taxes and only seeing a portion of that returned back to St. Louis.goat314 wrote:St. Louis is a poor city without a county.
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But the city has a budget that's almost twice as much as the counties
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I'm confused how city joining the county really addresses the capital items and maintenance. For one, the city is a county in itself and as DblnSouthcity has pointed a few times the city is in part getting mostly a fair deal or better deal at funding. In addition, merging the county might give you some consolidation savings but not much nor do I think you have political leadership in St. Louis County that is going to give up more on the roads/streets its trying to maintain currently. Then throw in the fact that the state is required to maintain a lot of road like Gravios because they are state lettered as state roads and the state political machine refuses to raise one of the lowest gas taxes in the country but still maintains one of the largest road networks.
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I really do think it is two fold with a structural problem with too many aldermen, priority issue and at end of day how they did their last bond to the voters at the city level and the lack of political will to fund appropriately or turn over & give the metro/county/STL & KC the means to increase revenues via tax gas
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I really do think it is two fold with a structural problem with too many aldermen, priority issue and at end of day how they did their last bond to the voters at the city level and the lack of political will to fund appropriately or turn over & give the metro/county/STL & KC the means to increase revenues via tax gas