What is failure? What is success? Please tell us Mr. flag Humping Party representative? Because our Flag Humper in Chief doesn't even know what the objective is. Please enlighten us.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑11:16 PM - Mar 07"Critical analysis".... any proof that Iran ever obtained operational s400s? Any proof of US jets being shot down over Iranian sovereignty? If they could shoot them down over Kuwait, as many OSINT videos show then why aren't they being shot down over Iran?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑11:09 PM - Mar 07What a loser you are. Critical analysis of the government, including the military, is called being a citizen. This country needs more citizens and less flag humpers like you right now.RuskiSTL wrote: ↑8:48 PM - Mar 07Blinded by hate for your own country, spouting non-sense.
Iran never received the s400 from Russia. If they did, Israel wouldn't have achieved air superiority immediately like they did in June.
If Iranian air defense was capable of this, how did it manage to shoot down such advanced jets beyond their own borders in Kuwait but perform so terribly in Iran?
"We cannot win this war." "We cannot win a war with Russia."
Man, you really hate America. The last 4 years have been the best advertisement for US and Israel military tech imaginable. I sure wouldn't want to be equipped with the Russian and Chinese junk that Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Venezuela, and Russia have been fighting with. Not to mention the Rafaels that Pakistan downed.
You say we cannot win wars. But maybe you missed it, we re-established ties with Venezuela this week. American Airlines is restarting flights from Miami. Sounds like winning to me.
Would love to see that "analysis". Or all you've got is name calling?
Seems you are projecting your desires for US military failure rather any proof. Scary what partisanship has done to this nation.
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Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. BootlickersRuskiSTL wrote: ↑8:48 PM - Mar 07Blinded by hate for your own country, spouting non-sense.moorlander wrote: ↑5:40 PM - Mar 07They haven’t been shot down before because this is the first engagement against against a 2nd tier military with strong air defense. Not just sandal wearing farmers with rpgs and aks.
Odds are high these 4 planes were shot down by Iranian air defense. Most likely s300 or s400 batteries.
We cannot win this war. Just like we cannot with the war with Russia. And no nation will ever trust us because we cannot be trusted in a negotiation.
With the poor preference of the f15e I’m concerned they may limit additional production. Problem is we need a work horse fighter. The f22 and f35 are some of the best fighters in the world but they are “pavement princesses” that require something like 6 hours maintenance for every hour of flight time.
Iran never received the s400 from Russia. If they did, Israel wouldn't have achieved air superiority immediately like they did in June.
If Iranian air defense was capable of this, how did it manage to shoot down such advanced jets beyond their own borders in Kuwait but perform so terribly in Iran?
"We cannot win this war." "We cannot win a war with Russia."
Man, you really hate America. The last 4 years have been the best advertisement for US and Israel military tech imaginable. I sure wouldn't want to be equipped with the Russian and Chinese junk that Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Venezuela, and Russia have been fighting with. Not to mention the Rafaels that Pakistan downed.
You say we cannot win wars. But maybe you missed it, we re-established ties with Venezuela this week. American Airlines is restarting flights from Miami. Sounds like winning to me.
Anyone know what kind of missiles Boeing makes out in St Chuck?
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Bulk of their work there is the Joint Direct Attack Munition kits. Those attach to GBU missiles for guidance.
GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb
Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles for the Navy
GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb
Harpoon anti-ship cruise missiles for the Navy
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@JaneJacobsGhost Quit that bootlicker name-calling crap, and I'll take this one...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑1:52 PM - Mar 08Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. Bootlickers
Regarding the F-15E's being shot down... It looks like the 3 US Strike Eagles and 1 Kuwaiti F/A-18 Hornet were all targeting a large swarm of incoming Iranian drones. When the Hornet fired its AIM-9 missiles at the drones, it switched its locks from the drones to the Eagles, as they have a larger infrared signature. So, they were shot in the back by friendly fire in uncontested conditions. Does this end their perfect record? Likely depends on who you ask, but I don't consider this "friendly fire" shootdown to be air combat.
@RuskiSTL Yes, it's confirmed to have been a Kuwaiti F/A-18 and not a SAM system, S400 or otherwise.
@moorlander The F-15's perfect record isn't from fighting peasants. That's just silliness. And I agree fully that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a fight between the West and post-Soviet Russian imperialism. And we very much can stop them, but it's a question of scaled retaliation with a nuclear power with eyes on placing tactical yield weapons along the Suwalki Gap. And maybe kompromat, but that's undetermined.
It's also likely that Russia will grind to a halt. There's a great article in The Economist recently likening Russia's current economy to being in the "death zone", that altitude for mountain climbers where they cannot get enough oxygen and their bodies eat themselves. Russia's economy is so beyond just being their military industrial complex that a complete and total economic collapse is very viable.
Meanwhile, for the sake of this conversation getting out of this thread, we need to address what "winning" this war with Iran means... Is it the overthrow of the Islamist Revolution and the dislocation of the Ayatollah? Is it total annihilation? My big question is whether we can have a real change in government prior to it turning into a war of attrition, which I believe Iran wants.
My big concern: Will we stop active combat before the global economy - yes, including our own - takes too great a hit? We are currently in the midst of the largest oil disruption in history: the 20% of global oil currently disrupted doubles the Suez Crisis as the largest oil disruption in history [10% global capacity]. This will directly lead to spikes in inflation, like 75bps added to Headline CPI. I'm also more concerned than most with attacks on the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, considering that their needs for proactive post-war reconstruction could lead to considerable reallocations of assets currently invested into the broader US markets and especially into Artificial Intelligence. And if the wells need to be capped even on a temporary basis, then we will be looking down the barrel of considerable delays in their reopening.
As I'm typing this, the President said the "war is very complete." Does this mean that we'll let the Son of the Ayatollah be the new Ayatollah and stay in power going forward? Beyond that, is that the President going back to acknowledging that this is a war with Iran and not just a special military operation?
As with all things, time will tell here...
Whether you're hawkish or dovish, IDGAF. I'm here to talk about Boeing.
And EVERYONE needs to stop with the name-calling. Especially because so many of you are so bad at it.
Now, pretty please, with sugar on top, let's get this thread back on track and stop having us debate amateur wargaming. Cheers
You're just proving JJG's point. You had nothing to say about the guy saying moorlander "hates America" or the fact he brought this conversation way further off topic than anyone else but you have something to say about JJG calling a bootlicker a bootlicker. I guess the shoe fits though.gone corporate wrote:@JaneJacobsGhost Quit that bootlicker name-calling crap, and I'll take this one...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑1:52 PM - Mar 08Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. Bootlickers
Regarding the F-15E's being shot down... It looks like the 3 US Strike Eagles and 1 Kuwaiti F/A-18 Hornet were all targeting a large swarm of incoming Iranian drones. When the Hornet fired its AIM-9 missiles at the drones, it switched its locks from the drones to the Eagles, as they have a larger infrared signature. So, they were shot in the back by friendly fire in uncontested conditions. Does this end their perfect record? Likely depends on who you ask, but I don't consider this "friendly fire" shootdown to be air combat.
@RuskiSTL Yes, it's confirmed to have been a Kuwaiti F/A-18 and not a SAM system, S400 or otherwise.
@moorlander The F-15's perfect record isn't from fighting peasants. That's just silliness. And I agree fully that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a fight between the West and post-Soviet Russian imperialism. And we very much can stop them, but it's a question of scaled retaliation with a nuclear power with eyes on placing tactical yield weapons along the Suwalki Gap. And maybe kompromat, but that's undetermined.
It's also likely that Russia will grind to a halt. There's a great article in The Economist recently likening Russia's current economy to being in the "death zone", that altitude for mountain climbers where they cannot get enough oxygen and their bodies eat themselves. Russia's economy is so beyond just being their military industrial complex that a complete and total economic collapse is very viable.
Meanwhile, for the sake of this conversation getting out of this thread, we need to address what "winning" this war with Iran means... Is it the overthrow of the Islamist Revolution and the dislocation of the Ayatollah? Is it total annihilation? My big question is whether we can have a real change in government prior to it turning into a war of attrition, which I believe Iran wants.
My big concern: Will we stop active combat before the global economy - yes, including our own - takes too great a hit? We are currently in the midst of the largest oil disruption in history: the 20% of global oil currently disrupted doubles the Suez Crisis as the largest oil disruption in history [10% global capacity]. This will directly lead to spikes in inflation, like 75bps added to Headline CPI. I'm also more concerned than most with attacks on the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, considering that their needs for proactive post-war reconstruction could lead to considerable reallocations of assets currently invested into the broader US markets and especially into Artificial Intelligence. And if the wells need to be capped even on a temporary basis, then we will be looking down the barrel of considerable delays in their reopening.
As I'm typing this, the President said the "war is very complete." Does this mean that we'll let the Son of the Ayatollah be the new Ayatollah and stay in power going forward? Beyond that, is that the President going back to acknowledging that this is a war with Iran and not just a special military operation?
As with all things, time will tell here...
Whether you're hawkish or dovish, IDGAF. I'm here to talk about Boeing.
And EVERYONE needs to stop with the name-calling. Especially because so many of you are so bad at it.
Now, pretty please, with sugar on top, let's get this thread back on track and stop having us debate amateur wargaming. Cheers
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It’s a rare day I disagree with you Gone Corporate. Your analysis on the Ukraine/Russia war I couldn’t disagree with more.gone corporate wrote:@JaneJacobsGhost Quit that bootlicker name-calling crap, and I'll take this one...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑1:52 PM - Mar 08Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. Bootlickers
Regarding the F-15E's being shot down... It looks like the 3 US Strike Eagles and 1 Kuwaiti F/A-18 Hornet were all targeting a large swarm of incoming Iranian drones. When the Hornet fired its AIM-9 missiles at the drones, it switched its locks from the drones to the Eagles, as they have a larger infrared signature. So, they were shot in the back by friendly fire in uncontested conditions. Does this end their perfect record? Likely depends on who you ask, but I don't consider this "friendly fire" shootdown to be air combat.
@RuskiSTL Yes, it's confirmed to have been a Kuwaiti F/A-18 and not a SAM system, S400 or otherwise.
@moorlander The F-15's perfect record isn't from fighting peasants. That's just silliness. And I agree fully that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a fight between the West and post-Soviet Russian imperialism. And we very much can stop them, but it's a question of scaled retaliation with a nuclear power with eyes on placing tactical yield weapons along the Suwalki Gap. And maybe kompromat, but that's undetermined.
It's also likely that Russia will grind to a halt. There's a great article in The Economist recently likening Russia's current economy to being in the "death zone", that altitude for mountain climbers where they cannot get enough oxygen and their bodies eat themselves. Russia's economy is so beyond just being their military industrial complex that a complete and total economic collapse is very viable.
Meanwhile, for the sake of this conversation getting out of this thread, we need to address what "winning" this war with Iran means... Is it the overthrow of the Islamist Revolution and the dislocation of the Ayatollah? Is it total annihilation? My big question is whether we can have a real change in government prior to it turning into a war of attrition, which I believe Iran wants.
My big concern: Will we stop active combat before the global economy - yes, including our own - takes too great a hit? We are currently in the midst of the largest oil disruption in history: the 20% of global oil currently disrupted doubles the Suez Crisis as the largest oil disruption in history [10% global capacity]. This will directly lead to spikes in inflation, like 75bps added to Headline CPI. I'm also more concerned than most with attacks on the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, considering that their needs for proactive post-war reconstruction could lead to considerable reallocations of assets currently invested into the broader US markets and especially into Artificial Intelligence. And if the wells need to be capped even on a temporary basis, then we will be looking down the barrel of considerable delays in their reopening.
As I'm typing this, the President said the "war is very complete." Does this mean that we'll let the Son of the Ayatollah be the new Ayatollah and stay in power going forward? Beyond that, is that the President going back to acknowledging that this is a war with Iran and not just a special military operation?
As with all things, time will tell here...
Whether you're hawkish or dovish, IDGAF. I'm here to talk about Boeing.
And EVERYONE needs to stop with the name-calling. Especially because so many of you are so bad at it.
Now, pretty please, with sugar on top, let's get this thread back on track and stop having us debate amateur wargaming. Cheers
But back to Boeing.
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Kid, I don't dance when you sing. You have something to say, you say it, but don't expect me to.StlAlex wrote: ↑9:03 PM - Mar 09You're just proving JJG's point. You had nothing to say about the guy saying moorlander "hates America" or the fact he brought this conversation way further off topic than anyone else but you have something to say about JJG calling a bootlicker a bootlicker. I guess the shoe fits though.gone corporate wrote:@JaneJacobsGhost Quit that bootlicker name-calling crap, and I'll take this one...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑1:52 PM - Mar 08Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. Bootlickers
Regarding the F-15E's being shot down... It looks like the 3 US Strike Eagles and 1 Kuwaiti F/A-18 Hornet were all targeting a large swarm of incoming Iranian drones. When the Hornet fired its AIM-9 missiles at the drones, it switched its locks from the drones to the Eagles, as they have a larger infrared signature. So, they were shot in the back by friendly fire in uncontested conditions. Does this end their perfect record? Likely depends on who you ask, but I don't consider this "friendly fire" shootdown to be air combat.
@RuskiSTL Yes, it's confirmed to have been a Kuwaiti F/A-18 and not a SAM system, S400 or otherwise.
@moorlander The F-15's perfect record isn't from fighting peasants. That's just silliness. And I agree fully that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a fight between the West and post-Soviet Russian imperialism. And we very much can stop them, but it's a question of scaled retaliation with a nuclear power with eyes on placing tactical yield weapons along the Suwalki Gap. And maybe kompromat, but that's undetermined.
It's also likely that Russia will grind to a halt. There's a great article in The Economist recently likening Russia's current economy to being in the "death zone", that altitude for mountain climbers where they cannot get enough oxygen and their bodies eat themselves. Russia's economy is so beyond just being their military industrial complex that a complete and total economic collapse is very viable.
Meanwhile, for the sake of this conversation getting out of this thread, we need to address what "winning" this war with Iran means... Is it the overthrow of the Islamist Revolution and the dislocation of the Ayatollah? Is it total annihilation? My big question is whether we can have a real change in government prior to it turning into a war of attrition, which I believe Iran wants.
My big concern: Will we stop active combat before the global economy - yes, including our own - takes too great a hit? We are currently in the midst of the largest oil disruption in history: the 20% of global oil currently disrupted doubles the Suez Crisis as the largest oil disruption in history [10% global capacity]. This will directly lead to spikes in inflation, like 75bps added to Headline CPI. I'm also more concerned than most with attacks on the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, considering that their needs for proactive post-war reconstruction could lead to considerable reallocations of assets currently invested into the broader US markets and especially into Artificial Intelligence. And if the wells need to be capped even on a temporary basis, then we will be looking down the barrel of considerable delays in their reopening.
As I'm typing this, the President said the "war is very complete." Does this mean that we'll let the Son of the Ayatollah be the new Ayatollah and stay in power going forward? Beyond that, is that the President going back to acknowledging that this is a war with Iran and not just a special military operation?
As with all things, time will tell here...
Whether you're hawkish or dovish, IDGAF. I'm here to talk about Boeing.
And EVERYONE needs to stop with the name-calling. Especially because so many of you are so bad at it.
Now, pretty please, with sugar on top, let's get this thread back on track and stop having us debate amateur wargaming. Cheers
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LET'S GET THIS GDMF THREAD BACK ON POINT!!!!! Mods, this is ridiculous.
Be happy to talk off this thread with you all day, learn from each other here. Cheers buddymoorlander wrote: ↑9:15 PM - Mar 09It’s a rare day I disagree with you Gone Corporate. Your analysis on the Ukraine/Russia war I couldn’t disagree with more.gone corporate wrote:@JaneJacobsGhost Quit that bootlicker name-calling crap, and I'll take this one...JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑1:52 PM - Mar 08Where are the resident “centrists” to condemn Ruski for taking this thread off topic? I guess that’s reserved for Alex and me. Bootlickers
Regarding the F-15E's being shot down... It looks like the 3 US Strike Eagles and 1 Kuwaiti F/A-18 Hornet were all targeting a large swarm of incoming Iranian drones. When the Hornet fired its AIM-9 missiles at the drones, it switched its locks from the drones to the Eagles, as they have a larger infrared signature. So, they were shot in the back by friendly fire in uncontested conditions. Does this end their perfect record? Likely depends on who you ask, but I don't consider this "friendly fire" shootdown to be air combat.
@RuskiSTL Yes, it's confirmed to have been a Kuwaiti F/A-18 and not a SAM system, S400 or otherwise.
@moorlander The F-15's perfect record isn't from fighting peasants. That's just silliness. And I agree fully that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a fight between the West and post-Soviet Russian imperialism. And we very much can stop them, but it's a question of scaled retaliation with a nuclear power with eyes on placing tactical yield weapons along the Suwalki Gap. And maybe kompromat, but that's undetermined.
It's also likely that Russia will grind to a halt. There's a great article in The Economist recently likening Russia's current economy to being in the "death zone", that altitude for mountain climbers where they cannot get enough oxygen and their bodies eat themselves. Russia's economy is so beyond just being their military industrial complex that a complete and total economic collapse is very viable.
Meanwhile, for the sake of this conversation getting out of this thread, we need to address what "winning" this war with Iran means... Is it the overthrow of the Islamist Revolution and the dislocation of the Ayatollah? Is it total annihilation? My big question is whether we can have a real change in government prior to it turning into a war of attrition, which I believe Iran wants.
My big concern: Will we stop active combat before the global economy - yes, including our own - takes too great a hit? We are currently in the midst of the largest oil disruption in history: the 20% of global oil currently disrupted doubles the Suez Crisis as the largest oil disruption in history [10% global capacity]. This will directly lead to spikes in inflation, like 75bps added to Headline CPI. I'm also more concerned than most with attacks on the members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, considering that their needs for proactive post-war reconstruction could lead to considerable reallocations of assets currently invested into the broader US markets and especially into Artificial Intelligence. And if the wells need to be capped even on a temporary basis, then we will be looking down the barrel of considerable delays in their reopening.
As I'm typing this, the President said the "war is very complete." Does this mean that we'll let the Son of the Ayatollah be the new Ayatollah and stay in power going forward? Beyond that, is that the President going back to acknowledging that this is a war with Iran and not just a special military operation?
As with all things, time will tell here...
Whether you're hawkish or dovish, IDGAF. I'm here to talk about Boeing.
And EVERYONE needs to stop with the name-calling. Especially because so many of you are so bad at it.
Now, pretty please, with sugar on top, let's get this thread back on track and stop having us debate amateur wargaming. Cheers
But back to Boeing.
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