There is no chance any sort of redevelopment like this happening from Purina any time soon. But as I have said before, they are committed to downtown long term.
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More like debbiedowner91. They haven’t spent this money on these plans for shits and giggles and of course Purina wouldn’t be developing it alone. They’ll be looking for a master developer
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I’m not being a downer about Purina’s commitment to staying DT generally. I’m just pointing out the reality at Purina so people don’t get spun up over nothing.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2025More like debbiedowner91. They haven’t spent this money on these plans for shits and giggles and of course Purina wouldn’t be developing it alone. They’ll be looking for a master developer
They definitely have an incentive to redevelop the area around their campus. I think there are companies that are finally realizing that they need to not act like silos in the community. .dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2025More like debbiedowner91. They haven’t spent this money on these plans for shits and giggles and of course Purina wouldn’t be developing it alone. They’ll be looking for a master developer
You'd think that super close housing would have at least some employees living "on campus" and that would be a good incentive to come work for Purina.
Free idea. Purina builds a new class A building somewhere in the campus and turns their current building into Purina Resort, Americas most pet friendly hotel and resort. Keep the park.
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It’s a moot point because they’re not moving to downtown proper anyways but Purina staying where they are and developing the surface lots around them will have a far bigger impact on Downtown then if they hypothetically moved into random office tower.Auggie wrote:Purina moves their HQ to downtown proper and than makes their old campus a resort.
In today’s world, office workers just don’t add that much to the vibrancy of a downtown. They drive downtown, sit at their desk all day, and drive home. If you’re lucky, they might walk to lunch once or twice a week.
Of course it would be great to fill all of our office towers up again, but downtown would be better served focusing on becoming a mixed use neighborhood and entertainment center for the region, and developing a mixed use neighborhood south of Busch Stadium will go a lot further to accomplishing that.
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I agree with your sentiment. However, in theory, if there were enough people working down if all worker only walked to lunch once or twice a week it would add substantial vibrancy and help to fill in commercial storefronts which would provide good after business hours for residents and visitors.STLcommenter wrote: ↑Oct 07, 2025It’s a moot point because they’re not moving to downtown proper anyways but Purina staying where they are and developing the surface lots around them will have a far bigger impact on Downtown then if they hypothetically moved into random office tower.Auggie wrote:Purina moves their HQ to downtown proper and than makes their old campus a resort.addxb2 wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2025Free idea. Purina builds a new class A building somewhere in the campus and turns their current building into Purina Resort, Americas most pet friendly hotel and resort. Keep the park.
In today’s world, office workers just don’t add that much to the vibrancy of a downtown. They drive downtown, sit at their desk all day, and drive home. If you’re lucky, they might walk to lunch once or twice a week.
Of course it would be great to fill all of our office towers up again, but downtown would be better served focusing on becoming a mixed use neighborhood and entertainment center for the region, and developing a mixed use neighborhood south of Busch Stadium will go a lot further to accomplishing that.
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It's not really a moot point at all. More office workers downtown not only boosts the daytime population and local business, it boosts downtown property value (and therefore tax revenue) and downtown's reputation. Like I said in a different thread, Purina's entire campus is worth less on a per acre basis than a south city single family home.STLcommenter wrote: ↑Oct 07, 2025It’s a moot point because they’re not moving to downtown proper anyways but Purina staying where they are and developing the surface lots around them will have a far bigger impact on Downtown then if they hypothetically moved into random office tower.Auggie wrote:Purina moves their HQ to downtown proper and than makes their old campus a resort.
In today’s world, office workers just don’t add that much to the vibrancy of a downtown. They drive downtown, sit at their desk all day, and drive home. If you’re lucky, they might walk to lunch once or twice a week.
Of course it would be great to fill all of our office towers up again, but downtown would be better served focusing on becoming a mixed use neighborhood and entertainment center for the region, and developing a mixed use neighborhood south of Busch Stadium will go a lot further to accomplishing that.
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Who knows what this redevelopment will look like, if it even happens.
Downtown still has 50k+ jobs. Office is still the backbone of downtown's economy and needs to fall a lot more to be superseded. In short, it is still incredibly important for the city to be attracting and keeping tenants downtown.
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Downtown still needs to be a primary job center. We are well ahead of other peers when it comes to entertainment with all the sports, concerts, events that happen here and with union station, arch, city museum. The residential will need to keep growing up end of the day, there should be 100,000 people down here a day just for their job. We’re at about 55,000 now
Question - and I promise I'm trying to subvert the numbers or anything like that by asking:
Those 55,000 - is that total workers, including hybrid office workers who may only be downtown a few times a week? Or is that the average number of workers actually downtown on a given day?
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Those 55,000 - is that total workers, including hybrid office workers who may only be downtown a few times a week? Or is that the average number of workers actually downtown on a given day?
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55k is probably how many people are downtown at any given time: office workers, entertainment workers, restaurant workers, hotel workers, hotel guests, residents, tourists who are not staying downtown, people patronizing downtown entertainment and/or businesses, and residents.rbb wrote: ↑Oct 07, 2025Question - and I promise I'm trying to subvert the numbers or anything like that by asking:
Those 55,000 - is that total workers, including hybrid office workers who may only be downtown a few times a week? Or is that the average number of workers actually downtown on a given day?
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As of 2022, the latest census data on commuting, there were ~57k "workers" downtown. Assume a decent chunk are not there everyday, and then add the other reasons people might be down there, and ~55k sounds like it's around a real number for daytime population downtown.
I believe they tried as part of the Choteau Lake Plan, well before my time.goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2025They definitely have an incentive to redevelop the area around their campus. I think there are companies that are finally realizing that they need to not act like silos in the community. .dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2025More like debbiedowner91. They haven’t spent this money on these plans for shits and giggles and of course Purina wouldn’t be developing it alone. They’ll be looking for a master developer
https://nextstl.com/2023/01/revisiting- ... -corridor/