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matguy70 wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I can see AA moving or adding American Eagle (with either Contour, Gojet, or Republic Air). Republic already flies AA Eagle flights from STL to Boston, Chicago–O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, New York–LaGuardia, Philadelphia, Washington–National.

FWIW, GoJet is exclusively United. Contour isn’t American, it’s a standalone airline with some sharing agreements with American.

I think there is a better chance of seeing Alaska expand, they are a Oneworld alliance member with AA or Porter (Canadian) come here as they just joined oneworld, than see new destinations from AA. JFK is really the only add I could see AA making. Maybe some vacation routes. Anything else they in my opinion would need a smaller plane than they have.

Alaska I am not thinking at a huge expansion. Something like bringing back Portland and San Diego. Maybe SFO and a once a week to Anchorage or Hawaii in the summer or something. That would be the extent of it.

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.


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petetch wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.


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Our local media's audience are suburbanites who hate the city and want it to fail. If most of their subscribers were people like us, then their headlines would be better and their coverage would be much more favorable.

dweebe wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

petetch wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.

Apple, Google and Amazon could simultaneously announce they're all moving their main HQs and the St. Louis Business Journal would debbie downer it.

"Earlier this year, FleishmanHillard moved from downtown to Clayton. Hooters restaurant also closed over the summer."

The route cuts on SWA are far more to do with Eliot Management than anything done on STL’s end.


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petetch wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.


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Glad someone pointed this out. Getting this flight is obviously a massive win for the city and the airport, so the BJ has to try to make it negative

Anecdotal, but I live right below both departure and inbound flight paths and I'll tell you that Lambert's traffic doesn't lend itself to the 'small region airport' narrative, nor does it for someone like BA or Lufthansa given the outbound loads.  It definitely needs reinvigoration though.  As others have noted over this thread, SLC's airport is certainly one to emulate in space and art and I hope we really aim high here.  I think that aesthetic shot in the arm will help alongside recent wins.  I'm personally not really upset over losing some of those more regional flights.

Heck even T1 was pretty busy the last few times I went through in the last month; maybe some fallout from SWA's more recent decisions.  Most striking to me is how many baggage carousels in T1 though.  The terminal consolidation can't come soon enough to leverage all of the infrastructure left over from TWA.

BA221 LHR 1625-1930 STL (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)

BA220 STL 2200-1205+1 LHR (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)


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addxb2 wrote:BA221 LHR 1625-1930 STL (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)

BA220 STL 2200-1205+1 LHR (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)


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Much nicer return time than Lufthansa (around 10:30 am departure) if you're connecting from elsewhere.

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Reminder when lobbyists told us we couldn't get things like a new terminal or more flights without selling the airport?

addxb2 wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

BA221 LHR 1625-1930 STL (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)

BA220 STL 2200-1205+1 LHR (Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun)


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jshank saying it's going to be seasonal over on airliners.net...grr...April - Oct.

dweebe wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

petetch wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.

Apple, Google and Amazon could simultaneously announce they're all moving their main HQs and the St. Louis Business Journal would debbie downer it.

I'm surprised the Business Journal headline wasn't, "Airplanes plan to leave downtown St. Louis [en route to London]".

petetch wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

I just read the St. Louis Business Journal article about the BA flight. I know this is a widely shared sentiment here, but it’s nearly comical how they go out of their way to find the downside of this great news. Even the title, “St. Louis said to get another European nonstop flight,” downplays this successful development.

After the first few paragraphs, the bulk of the article is devoted to outlining how STL missed out on Aer Lingus, saw a discontinuation of service to Iceland through WOW, and has seen recent route cuts on SWA.

Our local media is truly holding our region back through shaping negative public perception at any chance. I’m not looking for cheerleading journalism, but I think some objective reporting isn’t too much to require. SMH.


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They are literally the worst.  I canceled my subscription years ago for this reason.  I'm sure the negative angle gets more clicks or else they wouldn't do it.  Either way, they will go the way of the Dodo in a year or 2.

robertn42 wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

Love this:

"The St. Louis metro area is home to over three million people and is the headquarters of multiple Fortune 500 companies. Numerous other big companies are present, while it has a GDP of $227 billion in 2023 and has had the US's fastest-growing GDP per person in the past few years. All these things will help to fill its premium cabins. As with all such routes, it will be heavily incentivized and may also have revenue guarantees or other risk-sharing things.
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Does someone have a citation for the GDP claim?

Fares are loaded. Get booking.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

robertn42 wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

Love this:

"The St. Louis metro area is home to over three million people and is the headquarters of multiple Fortune 500 companies. Numerous other big companies are present, while it has a GDP of $227 billion in 2023 and has had the US's fastest-growing GDP per person in the past few years. All these things will help to fill its premium cabins. As with all such routes, it will be heavily incentivized and may also have revenue guarantees or other risk-sharing things.
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Does someone have a citation for the GDP claim?

Let me Google that for you


https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NGMP41180

^Does being smug make you feel good? Google's functionality is way worse than it used to be for what it's worth. 

Thanks! That is quite the spike the last 5 years.

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Oct 01, 2025

^Does being smug make you feel good? Google's functionality is way worse than it used to be for what it's worth. 

I wasn't the one asking for others to do work for me that they could easily do themselves. Anyways it was mostly tongue in cheek, the phrase is a meme after all.

$4.5 mil for BA from Port Authority for three years if (unstated) metrics are met, per the Post. Good deal.

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