New that was definitely coming. The success of Lufthansa has been remarkable. In addition, British IMO, will serve another population of travelers. Lufthansa flights are primarily serving eastern Europe, SE Europe and India. London was not one of LH's main connections for STL travelers.
I am curious how the international arrival gates are going to be sorted out in terms of congestion. Though i picture after arrival the plane will then be towed to C to depart with American, especially with the Admirals Club there. That could help in regards to it.
Isn't it the international demand seems to be holding up rather well here overall? Since it seems to be doing much better than many US cities being impacted by a foreign tourism slump. May be more due to demand being more on this side and not have a significant international tourism draw.
I think this benefits KC in a way too. Nonstop service on SWA is cheap and quick to KC three great flight times a day.
I am also curious though if this new service will beef up AA to introduce air service to regionals that SWA is dropping. I know we have chatter about AA beefing up service in STL again. They are also going to have some space free up in C with A moving to D and several gates available in C now.
Need the new terminal to advance at a faster rate if STL is going to get more visitors from Frankfurt and London. Some rumors are also out there that Iberia is looking at STL for a flight to Barcelona, so maybe that's in the cards.
Chris Stritzel wrote:Since it's British Airways, I wonder if that means direct into Heathrow. I know they fly into Gatwick as well. Definitely a good get.
It’ll be LHR. The business model for LGW outside of EU only works in markets with massive demand.
matguy70 wrote:I think this benefits KC in a way too. Nonstop service on SWA is cheap and quick to KC three great flight times a day.
I am also curious though if this new service will beef up AA to introduce air service to regionals that SWA is dropping. I know we have chatter about AA beefing up service in STL again. They are also going to have some space free up in C with A moving to D and several gates available in C now.
This benefits KC by removing STL from EU service. That doesn’t mean it’s going to be any easier but STL isn’t going to pick up Aer Lingus and will likely not get Iceland without a strong push from Southwest. They have one fewer competitor.
Need the new terminal to advance at a faster rate if STL is going to get more visitors from Frankfurt and London. Some rumors are also out there that Iberia is looking at STL for a flight to Barcelona, so maybe that's in the cards.
I know for sure Iberia Airlines has STL on the short list but throught Madrid. Part of their "Flight Plan 2030," includes deploying their new Airbus A321XLR aircraft into new US markets. STL is a leading market for España both with Technology and Leisure Travel. In addition, St. Louis University has their only foreign permanent campus in Madrid and The Interway program that connects Spanish students to STL 4 times a year with thousands of children.
Even if Iberia added seasonal service for vacation leisure travel in winter it would benefit these outlets alone.
I am curious how the international arrival gates are going to be sorted out in terms of congestion. Though i picture after arrival the plane will then be towed to C to depart with American, especially with the Admirals Club there. That could help in regards to it.
I am about 95% sure they are going to tow to C to load.
Need the new terminal to advance at a faster rate if STL is going to get more visitors from Frankfurt and London. Some rumors are also out there that Iberia is looking at STL for a flight to Barcelona, so maybe that's in the cards.
I know for sure Iberia Airlines has STL on the short list but throught Madrid. Part of their "Flight Plan 2030," includes deploying their new Airbus A321XLR aircraft into new US markets. STL is a leading market for España both with Technology and Leisure Travel. In addition, St. Louis University has their only foreign permanent campus in Madrid and The Interway program that connects Spanish students to STL 4 times a year with thousands of children.
Even if Iberia added seasonal service for vacation leisure travel in winter it would benefit these outlets alone.
Reading that the equipment will be 787-8 with the possibility of a 777-200ER making an appearance here and there. First time having these airframes and, now more than ever, I can't wait to have this all lined up in a consolidated terminal/concourse.
Reading that the equipment will be 787-8 with the possibility of a 777-200ER making an appearance here and there. First time having these airframes and, now more than ever, I can't wait to have this all lined up in a consolidated terminal/concourse.
I had to look up the size differences again.
Then again I'm old enough to remember the old TWA days when there'd very occasionally be two 747s or a 747 and a L-1011 sitting at the end of terminal C.
Will be even a bigger win once they can break ground on new Concourse.
Question, does anyone know if the international gates be located centrally in the new single concourse terminal, or say closest to the new single point security access point, and or at the ends? Probably not on the radar yet or even if a preliminary design has been floated to airport.
I think it is a great impression coming through Security and seeing a wall of glass & larger planes w the international destinations on the other side. Plus, it seems easier to design customs/immigration as maybe port of a two floor single entry access point. At same time, it seems to make sense logistically to put larger planes at the end of the terminal
Will be even a bigger win once they can break ground on new Concourse.
Question, does anyone know if the international gates be located centrally in the new single concourse terminal, or say closest to the new single point security access point, and or at the ends? Probably not on the radar yet or even if a preliminary design has been floated to airport.
I think it is a great impression coming through Security and seeing a wall of glass & larger planes w the international destinations on the other side. Plus, it seems easier to design customs/immigration as maybe port of a two floor single entry access point. At same time, it seems to make sense logistically to put larger planes at the end of the terminal
Seeing Lufthansa's big logo always makes me smile. And I'm sure British Airways will too once they build out a check in desk.
Love this news. Just a good PR win for the region. I think I am most curious about the $ subsidy. Cities the size of STL don't get TATL service absent tax $.
Lambert Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge called the two-year, $5.7 million subsidy from the airport, the St. Louis County Port Authority and Greater St. Louis Inc. a success, adding that Lufthansa hasn’t asked for more subsidies. The flight launched in June 2022 and runs on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
I believe that was ALL local $$. none from the state. LH is no longer collecting that $5.7M so I'd guess BA will be getting it all perhaps with additional state $$.
Love this news. Just a good PR win for the region. I think I am most curious about the $ subsidy. Cities the size of STL don't get TATL service absent tax $.
Lambert Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge called the two-year, $5.7 million subsidy from the airport, the St. Louis County Port Authority and Greater St. Louis Inc. a success, adding that Lufthansa hasn’t asked for more subsidies. The flight launched in June 2022 and runs on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
I believe that was ALL local $$. none from the state. LH is no longer collecting that $5.7M so I'd guess BA will be getting it all perhaps with additional state $$.
Just better not be $17M like Indianapolis gave Air Lingus.
Interesting that the organizations behind this are STL Partnership and the World Trade Center, along with the Port Authority. Doesn’t look like Greater STL is involved for this one.