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PostApr 30, 2025#2076

This article suggests something different than a pause.

“He said Spencer did not ask him to stop or kill the project. And he said he believes the Green Line remains a viable and competitive endeavor.”

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 9021c.html

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PostApr 30, 2025#2077

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imperialmog wrote:
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Is there a way for officials to play hardball with state and/or federal officials to offer the grant? I know in the 70s a town in West Virginia was frustrated in getting state funding for a new bridge and decided to ask the Soviet Union to fund it. This got the state to move because of the embarrassment. Maybe a stunt like this could be done here to try to force either the state or federal government to act.
I've said this here before but I legitimately think the city should ask the Chinese to fund it as a giant middle finger to the state/federal governments. Would be absolutely hilarious if nothing else.
I was thinking this idea could get them to act, since they may not like the idea of the Chinese building an infrastructure project next to NGA. 

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PostApr 30, 2025#2078

I think it's reasonable to evaluate if there's actually a chance to get funding for the project before wasting any additional money in something that may never get enough funding.

I understand some of you believe in the idea that creating infrastructure would lead to development in North City. Even though I believe having a metrolink line would make some places more desirable to live in by improving access I don't think that would be the main reason for anyone to decide to move away from North St Louis or move to North St louis. That argument in my opinion makes more sense in South City.

If the goal is to revitalize North City, my opinion is that the money is better spent in other projects as addressing vacant properties, supporting local businesses, traffic calming measures, etc. Investments in mass transit is better in places where there is actual demand, not in places where there is a hope to create demand. If the current administration was more friendly with these investments, and it was my decision, I would give priority to projects where there is high demand right now. If there are limited resources, money should be invested where more people would actually benefit from it. Right now, it doesn't seem that even projects with more demand will see funds.

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PostApr 30, 2025#2079

(Metro has been constantly evaluating the feasibility and based on that, it was preparing to apply for federal funds this summer)
Some of you have zero imagination. What if Spencer went to Kehoe and said the city will stand down on SLMPD board challenge if he goes with her to DC to make the case for NS metrolink funding

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PostApr 30, 2025#2080

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(Metro has been constantly evaluating the feasibility and based on that, it was preparing to apply for federal funds this summer)
Some of you have zero imagination.  What if Spencer went to Kehoe and said the city will stand down on SLMPD board challenge if he goes with her to DC to make the case for NS metrolink funding
It's not about having imagination or not, we can all come up with ideas. I can say as well "some of you just have a wild imagination about things that have 0.00001% possibility of happening" Hell will freeze over before this administration and congress funds metrolink expansion when they are so focused on cutting expenses everywhere without asking questions.

Of all the things the federal government is cutting funding in Missouri, why in the world would the governor focus his attention of a single project that hasn't been funded and is still far away from breaking ground instead of fighting back on cuts?

Sometimes people have to choose which battles are worth fighting for and that's not about the merit of the cause necessarily, but the odds of success. With so many problems, why not focus on things that you can actually do something about it?

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PostMay 01, 2025#2081

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Given Trump's well-known love of gold-colored aesthetics, backers of the N-S line should seriously consider changing the name from the Green Line to the Gold Line to get his buy-in. I am only halfway joking about this.
Remember his casino proposal for north of the Landing? 


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PostMay 01, 2025#2082

imperialmog wrote:
Apr 30, 2025
Trololzilla wrote:
Apr 30, 2025
imperialmog wrote:
Apr 29, 2025
Is there a way for officials to play hardball with state and/or federal officials to offer the grant? I know in the 70s a town in West Virginia was frustrated in getting state funding for a new bridge and decided to ask the Soviet Union to fund it. This got the state to move because of the embarrassment. Maybe a stunt like this could be done here to try to force either the state or federal government to act.
I've said this here before but I legitimately think the city should ask the Chinese to fund it as a giant middle finger to the state/federal governments. Would be absolutely hilarious if nothing else.
I was thinking this idea could get them to act, since they may not like the idea of the Chinese building an infrastructure project next to NGA. 
The things that China has done in Africa over the last 20 years is probably the most under reported story of the last decade. That said, why not St. Louis? But, remember, you have to have something to offer China or something they can steal. Do you think China are building interstates and dams and bridges in Africa out of the kindness of their hearts?

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PostMay 01, 2025#2083

leeharveyawesome wrote:
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imperialmog wrote:
Apr 30, 2025
Trololzilla wrote:
Apr 30, 2025
I've said this here before but I legitimately think the city should ask the Chinese to fund it as a giant middle finger to the state/federal governments. Would be absolutely hilarious if nothing else.
I was thinking this idea could get them to act, since they may not like the idea of the Chinese building an infrastructure project next to NGA. 
The things that China has done in Africa over the last 20 years is probably the most under reported story of the last decade. That said, why not St. Louis? But, remember, you have to have something to offer China or something they can steal. Do you think China are building interstates and dams and bridges in Africa out of the kindness of their hearts?
The theory is that China would do it to embarrass the US. Because if the US was a serious country, it would be funding big public transit and HSR expansions, but it's not. We have am elderly man as POTUS and he's clearly not in charge.

So China would do it to show just how much better they are than the US federal government. It would be humiliating for the US. That's the point, not whatever African stuff you're talking about.

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PostMay 01, 2025#2084

Media: NS Metro “halted “on hold” “paused”

Metro: no it’s still going

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PostMay 02, 2025#2085

leeharveyawesome wrote:
May 01, 2025
The things that China has done in Africa over the last 20 years is probably the most under reported story of the last decade. That said, why not St. Louis? But, remember, you have to have something to offer China or something they can steal. Do you think China are building interstates and dams and bridges in Africa out of the kindness of their hearts?
They could rename St. Louis to New Beijing for all I care - just get stuff done.

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PostMay 02, 2025#2086

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Media: NS Metro “halted “on hold” “paused”

Metro: no it’s still going

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So basically the train is still on track (no pun intended). Sounds like Cara is just doing some political posturing, positioning herself as the anti-Tishuara. The project may be too far along in the process to pull the plug now. It would probably take a formal rejection from the feds to derail this project and like you said Denis, the fate of this line is probably more contigent the outcome of the 2026 midterm and 2028 presidential election than anything else. Also, I remember reading that federal judges have already struck down Trump's attempt to gut Biden's infrastructure bill which allocated billions for projects like this.

Also, I'd like to add that I find it fascinating everyone in St. Louis just assumes this project will not get funded. There really aren't so many projects around the country that have more "merit" than this one. In fact, every time federal officials came to St. Louis they mentioned that the project had great potential. I just think it's indicative of the mindset of many people in St. Louis, really sad to see. 

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PostSep 23, 2025#2087

City officially scraps MetroLink for BRT.

“Bi-State Development, the regional transit agency, says in new documents that the train orientation was unlikely to win key federal funding.”

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PostSep 23, 2025#2088

RIP N/S metrolink. 😢


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PostSep 23, 2025#2089

Interestingly, the documents provided by Bi-State say “develop a preliminary design for a Bus Rapid Transit System to serve the region”

“Services will include an Alternatives Analysis centered on the existing Jefferson Avenue corridor and the subsequent preliminary design of a BRT system”

It sounds like you’ll get Jefferson and a plan that could work for St. Louis County too.

PostSep 23, 2025#2090

It also suggests that it’s a continuation of the 30% design already completed. Without looking at the documents I couldn’t say but it is possible they’re just hitting delete on the rail, wires, and LRVs to prevent losing everything.

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PostSep 23, 2025#2091

addxb2 wrote:
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City officially scraps MetroLink for BRT.

“Bi-State Development, the regional transit agency, says in new documents that the train orientation was unlikely to win key federal funding.”
Very unfortunate.

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PostSep 23, 2025#2092

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... pivot.html

LOL. What a joke. Just one less reason to stay here.

So we will now spend $11 million to study a BRT, millions already spent is now wasted, it will still require federal grants that still probably won't come because the same administration is still in office for 3 more years, and we will (maybe) get a worse product with worse ridership and worse economic impact than what voters voted for 8 years ago.

"Spencer, after taking office, called that line "almost unrecognizable" from an earlier 17-mile, 33-stop proposal."

In the most conservative fashion, her answer was to make it completely unrecognizable from the original 2017 vision instead of working with the county and being a true leader to try and make it closer to the 2017 vision.

Can't wait to follow in the footsteps of urban paradises like Nashville and Indianapolis.

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PostSep 23, 2025#2093

Good thing they did multiple rounds of studies on it…..

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PostSep 24, 2025#2094

I know Gravois at Jefferson was only given a very light ARPA update in the plans because of the assumption of a forthcoming Green line. If we aren't going forward with it, we need something to make the intersection there safer before the Gravois update of 2029. 

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PostSep 24, 2025#2095

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I know Gravois at Jefferson was only given a very light ARPA update in the plans because of the assumption of a forthcoming Green line. If we aren't going forward with it, we need something to make the intersection there safer before the Gravois update of 2029. 
Seems like their plan is to do the Green Line just with a bus. So infrastructure improvements would still be included.

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PostSep 24, 2025#2096

Cara is being another do nothing, know nothing typical St. Louis leadership. What a joke.

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PostSep 24, 2025#2097

addxb2 wrote:
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City officially scraps MetroLink for BRT.

“Bi-State Development, the regional transit agency, says in new documents that the train orientation was unlikely to win key federal funding.”
This project should have been built in the 2000s, but it was not; it remained only talk throughout the 2010s. I have always felt that this project would never come to fruition in the 2020s. Too many people are afraid of crime and are more racist, and more selfish than in the 2000s and 2010s. Americans are neither urban or a smart people they are a stupid people that are scared to leave their homes unless it,s for Walmart or fast food slop. I know many young people who want to leave this joke of a county. That can't even build a five-mile train.

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PostSep 24, 2025#2098

seanmcelligott28 wrote:
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addxb2 wrote:
Sep 23, 2025
City officially scraps MetroLink for BRT.

“Bi-State Development, the regional transit agency, says in new documents that the train orientation was unlikely to win key federal funding.”
This project should have been built in the 2000s, but it was not; it remained only talk throughout the 2010s. I have always felt that this project would never come to fruition in the 2020s. Too many people are afraid of crime and are more racist, and more selfish than in the 2000s and 2010s. Americans are neither urban or a smart people they are a stupid people that are scared to leave their homes unless it,s for Walmart or fast food slop. I know many young people who want to leave this joke of a county. That can't even build a five-mile train.
It still needs to be stated: This project is most likely happening if ~320,000 people across Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania voted for Harris over Trump.

The only barrier to this project happening is a federal grant. It is incredibly short sighted and abhorrent to kill the project because a clown got elected for 4 years. Especially when the alternative will take years to plan and also require federal money. Just a horrible decision all around.

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PostSep 24, 2025#2099

Auggie wrote:
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seanmcelligott28 wrote:
Sep 24, 2025
addxb2 wrote:
Sep 23, 2025
City officially scraps MetroLink for BRT.

“Bi-State Development, the regional transit agency, says in new documents that the train orientation was unlikely to win key federal funding.”
This project should have been built in the 2000s, but it was not; it remained only talk throughout the 2010s. I have always felt that this project would never come to fruition in the 2020s. Too many people are afraid of crime and are more racist, and more selfish than in the 2000s and 2010s. Americans are neither urban or a smart people they are a stupid people that are scared to leave their homes unless it,s for Walmart or fast food slop. I know many young people who want to leave this joke of a county. That can't even build a five-mile train.
It still needs to be stated: This project is most likely happening if ~320,000 people across Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania voted for Harris over Trump.

The only barrier to this project happening is a federal grant. It is incredibly short sighted and abhorrent to kill the project because a clown got elected for 4 years. Especially when the alternative will take years to plan and also require federal money. Just a horrible decision all around.
I also thought that the ballot language explicitly said it had to be Metrolink or some kind of rail transit? Maybe they could get away with a modern streetcar like KC but scraping this for BRT is so irresponsible and possibly opens up the city for lawsuits. Cara has just become very anti-Metrolink the last fee years. It's a very strange pivot.

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