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PostDec 31, 2024#76

It’s Clayton that desperately needs the sales taxes that Brentwood, Richmond Heights and Maplewood generate. Consolidating these munis and school districts makes too much sense.

U-City should also probably be included but we know why that would never be considered.

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PostDec 31, 2024#77

4 City stl county including a 700,000 resident stl city 

City of St.Louis
City of Northlands
City of Page
City of Manchester
Other places in those cities just become neighborhoods with the same name as before. Clayton is a neighborhood in the City of Page
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PostDec 31, 2024#78

I love how you’ve annihilated Ladue and Chesterfield

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PostDec 31, 2024#79

JaneJacobsGhost wrote:
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I love how you’ve annihilated Ladue and Chesterfield

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PostJan 01, 2025#80

Yeah Chesterfield would NOT go for that.  They would threated to secede and join St. Charles county (again)

PostJan 01, 2025#81

I should have added that I like it, I love the reduction in municipalities.  I am not sure about the area north of 270 joining the city - the footprint is odd.  I would really like to see everything within 270 on the north and south, and maybe out to Lindbergh on the west be St. Louis.  That is a pie in the sky dream, but the footprint makes sense.  You would have to work on the 1% earnings and then also have to leave school districts as they are.  Then, of course, St. Louis County and City are one county.

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PostJan 01, 2025#82

I agree with Denis on this. Always have.

Just think it’s more realistic to split the City/County into the following Cities with their own leader/ mayor, alderman (initially made up of 7-8 mayors of merged municipalities), school district, police, fire, etc:

A) City of St Louis
B) North County area called Florissant
C) NW County area called Maryland Heights or Creve Coeur
D) Central County area called Clayton
E) West County area called Chesterfield
F) SW County area called Kirkwood
G) South County area called Mehlville or Oakville

County offices centralized in Clayton. County leadership made up of a County Executive plus one council member from each of the 7 cities.

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PostJul 12, 2025#83

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ility.html

Panera to close Brentwood dough facility, lay off 72.

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PostJul 13, 2025#84

Feels like the final nail in the coffin for Bread Co. Really the last thing that tied it to the original vision was the bakery, which will now just be serving frozen crap like every other fast food restaurant.

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PostSep 10, 2025#85

Some pleasantly surprising news: https://www.stlmag.com/news/brentwood-t ... ru-coffee/

Could be a good cudgel next time some drive thru business tries to build in STL City that even a suburb has said no to this. 

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PostSep 10, 2025#86

PeterXCV wrote:
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Some pleasantly surprising news: https://www.stlmag.com/news/brentwood-t ... ru-coffee/

Could be a good cudgel next time some drive thru business tries to build in STL City that even a suburb has said no to this. 
For the life of me, I cannot understand how they thought this was going to be approved. 7-Brew locations regularly have lines of 20-30+ cars that wrap around the building, this would be a nightmare.

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PostSep 10, 2025#87

But context is important when looking at what happened here, says Pat Kelly, the executive director of the Municipal League of Metro St. Louis. When he served as mayor of Brentwood from 2001 to 2015, he recalls, the city turned down another couple of businesses at the same location because of similar concerns, so it’s not like the rejection of 7 Brews is an unprecedented move. As for Brentwood traffic writ large, Kelly says: “My dad was in the catering business, and he used to say, ‘If the only complaint you get is that the plate’s not big enough, that’s a good thing.’ I’d rather see a parking lot that’s a little crowded than one that’s empty.” 
*sigh*

What if -- and I know I'm crazy, but stick with me here -- Brentwood had done a better job over the last 25 years (15 of which were under Mr. Kelly's leadership) at encouraging mixed-use development in the city, taking particular advantage of the MetroLink station that's been there for nearly 20 years now? What if walking across Brentwood to go shopping or get a bite to eat didn't feel like you were taking your life in your hands? Gah.

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PostSep 10, 2025#88

Breaking news - When you build for cars, you get cars.

PostSep 10, 2025#89

jonkleinow wrote:
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But context is important when looking at what happened here, says Pat Kelly, the executive director of the Municipal League of Metro St. Louis. When he served as mayor of Brentwood from 2001 to 2015, he recalls, the city turned down another couple of businesses at the same location because of similar concerns, so it’s not like the rejection of 7 Brews is an unprecedented move. As for Brentwood traffic writ large, Kelly says: “My dad was in the catering business, and he used to say, ‘If the only complaint you get is that the plate’s not big enough, that’s a good thing.’ I’d rather see a parking lot that’s a little crowded than one that’s empty.” 
*sigh*

What if -- and I know I'm crazy, but stick with me here -- Brentwood had done a better job over the last 25 years (15 of which were under Mr. Kelly's leadership) at encouraging mixed-use development in the city, taking particular advantage of the MetroLink station that's been there for nearly 20 years now? What if walking across Brentwood to go shopping or get a bite to eat didn't feel like you were taking your life in your hands? Gah.
No way, the strategy is to have people drive in, shop, then go away, so they can fund the city with sales taxes and not property taxes.

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PostSep 10, 2025#90

It's not Brentwood, but close enough: I bet those 7 Brews bastards will hop on the closed CVS space at McKnight and Manchester.

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PostSep 11, 2025#91

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It's not Brentwood, but close enough: I bet those 7 Brews bastards will hop on the closed CVS space at McKnight and Manchester.
They’re under construction in Warson Woods. That would be too close.

Why are you calling them bastards? They employ 60 people. They generate a lot of sales tax/ property tax.

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PostSep 11, 2025#92

I drive by the 7 Brew at the intersection at Chippewa and Donovan many times a week at different hours and haven't noticed any significant impact to traffic. More jobs, taxes and activity than the self-serve car wash that was there for years.

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PostSep 11, 2025#93

kbshapiro wrote:
Sep 11, 2025
dweebe wrote:
Sep 10, 2025
It's not Brentwood, but close enough: I bet those 7 Brews bastards will hop on the closed CVS space at McKnight and Manchester.
They’re under construction in Warson Woods.  That would be too close.  

Why are you calling them bastards?  They employ 60 people.  They generate a lot of sales tax/ property tax.
  1. Drive thru only just continues dependence on automobiles.
  2. Their stuff is just tons of sugar. It's barely coffee.

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PostSep 12, 2025#94

We’re touting the employment benefits of a fast food drive thru chain? Really?

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PostSep 12, 2025#95

Yes I am Jane. I’m supportive of entrepreneurs who invest in our community, create 60 plus jobs, generate tax revenue and provide a product that a lot of people love.

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dweebe wrote:
Sep 11, 2025
kbshapiro wrote:
Sep 11, 2025
dweebe wrote:
Sep 10, 2025
It's not Brentwood, but close enough: I bet those 7 Brews bastards will hop on the closed CVS space at McKnight and Manchester.
They’re under construction in Warson Woods.  That would be too close.  

Why are you calling them bastards?  They employ 60 people.  They generate a lot of sales tax/ property tax.
  1. Drive thru only just continues dependence on automobiles.
  2. Their stuff is just tons of sugar. It's barely coffee.
It’s a car centric intersection of 50,000 plus cars a day. No pedestrians. Seems like a good place to open a drive thru restaurant to me.

You can get a ton of drinks there that are sugar free. Or just stick to coffee, latte, cappuccinos, etc

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PostSep 12, 2025#97

kbshapiro wrote:
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Yes I am Jane. I’m supportive of entrepreneurs who invest in our community, create 60 plus jobs, generate tax revenue and provide a product that a lot of people love.
Ok now, let's not romanticize franchisee's making making their money off of employing low wage non union workers as "entrepreneurs" lol

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PostSep 12, 2025#98

So, all restauranteurs are not entrepreneurs because their employees are mostly tip based and non-union. Got it.

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PostSep 12, 2025#99

Take the sugar part out of it. Double lane drive thru only places shouldn't exist.

PostSep 12, 2025#100

kbshapiro wrote:
Sep 12, 2025
Yes I am Jane.  I’m supportive of entrepreneurs who invest in our community, create 60 plus jobs, generate tax revenue and provide a product that a lot of people love.
7 Brew is owned by Blackstone Capitol and other PE groups.

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