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Which building is it going into? I don't recall any on that corner being in that rough of shape.
I was peeking in there last week. I'm still amazed they went to that level of gutting the old Forest Park Deli space. Outside of the post locations it's a completely clean slate.
No, the building was fine; the photo just shows how extensively they're renovating the space. It's a total gut rehab.chaifetz10 wrote:Which building is it going into? I don't recall any on that corner being in that rough of shape.
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1764 Public House Ready to Start Serving Customers
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https://stlrestaurant.news/1764-public- ... ers/32797/
https://stlrestaurant.news/1764-public- ... ers/32797/
1764 Public house closed in Jan 2020
There's a $350k building permit application submitted for a restaurant here. Does anyone know what it will be?
There's a $350k building permit application submitted for a restaurant here. Does anyone know what it will be?
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Was just walking by it last night saying how disappointing it is that space was closed. Good to see!quincunx wrote:1764 Public house closed in Jan 2020
There's a $350k building permit application submitted for a restaurant here. Does anyone know what it will be?
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https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... louis.html
Per business journal will open in spring. I had set my hopes on a true neighborhood sports bar for that location. We already have a plethora of high quality breakfast options - especially brunch options.
Good to see the space on that busy corner get filled, though!
Per business journal will open in spring. I had set my hopes on a true neighborhood sports bar for that location. We already have a plethora of high quality breakfast options - especially brunch options.
Good to see the space on that busy corner get filled, though!
He makes it sound like the CWE is a dead mall. It simply isn't.
NextSTL - Elliott Davis Dooming on the Central West End
https://nextstl.com/2025/08/elliott-dav ... -west-end/
NextSTL - Elliott Davis Dooming on the Central West End
https://nextstl.com/2025/08/elliott-dav ... -west-end/
In terms of retail/restaurant, the CWE's problem in the last few years hasn't been a lack of foot traffic. Many new businesses have opened too, its just that some other business always seems to close. I would say its not good for the neighborhood that Rothschild owns so much of the commercial real estate (or residential real estate for that matter) + the chess club's ridiculous policy of keeping the space at the corner of Maryland & Euclid vacant.
It's also normal to have turnover. The restaurants on Euclid seem to make it past the 8-year avg for a restaurant. A lot of the mainstays are an anomaly to restaurant economics.
I added the Euclid South CID sales numbers. Things look even better.
In fairness, inflation since 2019 has been ~26% while sales growth is only 23%.
Still does not justify dommerism. I have to wonder though, what's causing a decline in foot traffic? The neighborhood population is back above what it was in 1990 and while I don't walk around there very often, the handful of times I have in the last year or so, foot traffic looked healthy to me. I would think demand is increasing, not decreasing.
Still does not justify dommerism. I have to wonder though, what's causing a decline in foot traffic? The neighborhood population is back above what it was in 1990 and while I don't walk around there very often, the handful of times I have in the last year or so, foot traffic looked healthy to me. I would think demand is increasing, not decreasing.
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Inflation was largely driven by housing and cars, housing isn’t a taxable sale and there is no car dealership in CWE
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Just more boomer pessimism. no one under 50 or so watches his content. Was on Euclid ave on Saturday, despite the heat it was pretty lively.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 19, 2025He makes it sound like the CWE is a dead mall. It simply isn't.
NextSTL - Elliott Davis Dooming on the Central West End
https://nextstl.com/2025/08/elliott-dav ... -west-end/
The lunch time crowd has picked up in recent months.CommonFire224 wrote: ↑Aug 19, 2025Just more boomer pessimism. no one under 50 or so watches his content. Was on Euclid ave on Saturday, despite the heat it was pretty lively.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 19, 2025He makes it sound like the CWE is a dead mall. It simply isn't.
NextSTL - Elliott Davis Dooming on the Central West End
https://nextstl.com/2025/08/elliott-dav ... -west-end/
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Just went by and noticed that BBQ Saloon is now called Wildflower Saloon
That Culpepper's line made me chuckle. Too true for ED. Dude is basically an annoying AF crank now. In the CWE, know what wasn't there before ED? Whole Foods, like 3 ice cream places, shake shack, all kinds of new midrises, etc. But, yes the intersection of Euclid and Maryland is different that it was in 1998.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2025KSDK reported the expansion will open this fall. It includes a restaurant. Maybe Elliott Davis will find it a suitable substitute for Culpepper's, I doubt it.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/entertainm ... 8be31e1ae8
He has a big following. Some of whom eat up his doom and gloom, fill in his lack of context with CRIME!, and want to invade and occupy the city.
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With due respect, I do think there is at least a little room to mourn some of what was lost. Change is innevitable, but one thing I think we're seeing in the Central West End, as real estate prices rise, is the early phases of the sort of sameification that happens in fancy places at the expense of local color. What do whole foods, Shake Shack, First Watch, and even Clementine's and Kaldi's have in common? They're all chains. Sure, Clementine's and Kaldi's are technically local, but they're still chains with no real sense of place that makes them distinct from a Kaldi's in Columbia or a Whole Foods in Columbus. Coffee Cartel and Duffy's were pretty distinctive. What's there now is nice. There's more of it, and that's good. And he sort of misses the point that if (if) the place is a victim, it's a victim of it's own success. But I do think it's okay for us olds to mourn the things we loved that aren't there anymore.
No disrespect taken and I agree. I've often said (perhaps even here) that most of the CWE could be any large city in America. The mid-rises and retail/food chains (while a sign of success) are NOT uniquely St. Louis at all. Soulard's redbrick homes and human scale streets? Uniquely STL. The intersection of Lindell and Euclid...anywhere.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Aug 26, 2025With due respect, I do think there is at least a little room to mourn some of what was lost. Change is innevitable, but one thing I think we're seeing in the Central West End, as real estate prices rise, is the early phases of the sort of sameification that happens in fancy places at the expense of local color. What do whole foods, Shake Shack, First Watch, and even Clementine's and Kaldi's have in common? They're all chains. Sure, Clementine's and Kaldi's are technically local, but they're still chains with no real sense of place that makes them distinct from a Kaldi's in Columbia or a Whole Foods in Columbus. Coffee Cartel and Duffy's were pretty distinctive. What's there now is nice. There's more of it, and that's good. And he sort of misses the point that if (if) the place is a victim, it's a victim of it's own success. But I do think it's okay for us olds to mourn the things we loved that aren't there anymore.