Well, it is not perfect but I think its an easy assistance. The ramp from 40 headed east to Market could connect to the parking lot, and then you could also be able to leave the lot and continue on that ramp to Market. You would just have to make sure the sidewalk ensures pedestrian safety as traffic would then be crossing it.
More challenging, tunnel Spring under 40 AND Market.
Well, it is not perfect but I think its an easy assistance. The ramp from 40 headed east to Market could connect to the parking lot, and then you could also be able to leave the lot and continue on that ramp to Market. You would just have to make sure the sidewalk ensures pedestrian safety as traffic would then be crossing it.
More challenging, tunnel Spring under 40 AND Market.
Just a few ideas to make it easier.
Speaking of ramps, can we get rid of the ones north of 40 at 14th and between 10th and 11th?
I’m with the other posters that whatever it is, my preference is for a concept that would involve a full build out of the parcel. There’s a metrolink station right there, and despite the division of 40, we can make it workable by American standards at least
The lender for the now-closed Armory entertainment venue in St. Louis is suing owner Green Street, alleging the development company owes the bank $24 million. A foreclosure could be next.
The lawsuit from Peoples National Bank is the latest legal battle before Green Street, which owes over $1 million in real estate taxes and unpaid construction work just for the Midtown entertainment venue along Interstate 40, at Market Street and Vandeventer Avenue.
The developer additionally faces a bevy of lawsuits, mechanic’s liens and unpaid real estate taxes totaling more than $5 million related to other projects across the city and St. Louis County, including a proposed “town center“ project in the suburbs and an investor who claims Green Street never paid him.
For the love of…no. They just did this entire renovation. There is a company that can do something with the work that was done. Do not do not do not allow this to become a data center.
Data centers have become the car washes and storage units of downtowns. They absolutely transform nothing. They don’t even use many employees for such large spaces and eat up so much power. Absolutely can’t let it happen to such a large parcel in the middle of the city.
He said it would not be coming back as an entertainment venue. I found it almost humorous that they got the GRG's take and they pretty much said "no impact on our plans".
Maybe coincidental, as most things, but did see an article about whether Sam Altman would consider putting data centers for Open AI here instead of Texas. Purely speculative.
We have plenty of warehouses for the data centers. We do not need to just make use out of this large of a place right next to a transit hub, university, one of the larger mixed use complexes in the region and a future urban green recreational trail that wants to incorporate businesses along its path. We cannot let this just become a passive income site. It was just renovated. This is not a dilapidated building. Please do not let this be the end result.
Agree with everyone regarding the data center use. JJG's compromise would be fine, utilizing the basement of the place. I'm guessing nothing can be done at this point besides blowing up Phil Hulse inbox? What a waste.
The Armory has become the epitome of the suburban style entertainment venue in an urban area.
Looking back with 20/20 vision, it's unbelievable that they actually thought thought was gonna work. Completely cut off from The Foundry and SLU, did not accommodate MetroLink or MetroBus at all, and it's not like it's right off a major road.
The Armory has become the epitome of the suburban style entertainment venue in an urban area.
Looking back with 20/20 vision, it's unbelievable that they actually thought thought was gonna work. Completely cut off from The Foundry and SLU, did not accommodate MetroLink or MetroBus at all, and it's not like it's right off a major road.
There were supposed to be towers built next to it and GW was supposed to get a mixed use redevelopment too
The Armory has become the epitome of the suburban style entertainment venue in an urban area.
Looking back with 20/20 vision, it's unbelievable that they actually thought thought was gonna work. Completely cut off from The Foundry and SLU, did not accommodate MetroLink or MetroBus at all, and it's not like it's right off a major road.
There were supposed to be towers built next to it and GW was supposed to get a mixed use redevelopment too
I know, but they never out a serious effort into doing that part and spent $80M on a suburban oriented bar.
This becoming a data center is a massive buzz kill and Phil Hulse needs to be told that the idea is a waste. All the money went into renovating this building into a massive bar. It got a fat TIF as well. Now, all that work is going to need to be ripped out again for a power hungry data center (which will probably also seek incentives)? It's a massive loss for the City. The City should consider yanking back the TIF since the two residential towers and full build-out of the Armory building never occurred as intended.
I've been to the Armory a few times when it was open. My friends and I always had fun. Connectivity was the greatest issue, but it was workable if some thought was put into it. It was a concept that was rushed and needed more things connected to it to make it work (bridge to the Foundry, better walking experience to the MetroLink, buildings up to Grand that included residents and a connection from Grand to the Armory).
Green Street came in with big promises for shiny high-rises in Midtown and Downtown Clayton, a massive redevelopment effort of the old Famous-Barr warehouse next to the Armory, the redevelopment of Manchester Road in Brentwood, and other infill projects in the Grove. All of this is toast. They grew way too fast by acquiring HDA and OToole Interior Design, introducing a construction division, and capital division. That rapid growth, coupled with big promises, rising interest rates, and the inability to deliver on their projects, killed them.
Right. We did not give out that TIF money for a data center. I don’t understand this move at all. There has to be a way to prevent this.
I also again don’t think any of this is about the Armory not having cash flow. Green Street was falling apart with debt and the Armory is just one of those holdings. It may not have been able to keep up with an $80 M and needed other revenue sources eventually, but this whole Green Street thing is not about the Armory simply failing to make money. People outside this forum don’t seem to get that.
A very similar facility former national guard armory in OKC to become a live music venue after a similar type proposal to our original armory proposed build out did not come to life. Again, all the money has already went to restoring the building. No reason to go backwards. There are a myriad of uses that can be made of it even in its current configuration with the right plan. A music venue would even fit the layout as it is - a stage, scattered bars, GA standing floor, an overlook section.
Agree with everyone regarding the data center use. JJG's compromise would be fine, utilizing the basement of the place. I'm guessing nothing can be done at this point besides blowing up Phil Hulse inbox? What a waste.
Lol already sent him an email.
I hope they just sell the building though I imagine it'll get taken back by the banks here at some point, right?
The Armory has become the epitome of the suburban style entertainment venue in an urban area.
Looking back with 20/20 vision, it's unbelievable that they actually thought thought was gonna work. Completely cut off from The Foundry and SLU, did not accommodate MetroLink or MetroBus at all, and it's not like it's right off a major road.
The crazy part is that, despite the disfunction from the owners, it kind of did work. It was drawing crowds. No idea how long that would have lasted, but the Armory's failure shouldn't be flagged as a poor concept that predictably failed. It should be flagged as another example of Green Street being a mess.
The Armory has become the epitome of the suburban style entertainment venue in an urban area.
Looking back with 20/20 vision, it's unbelievable that they actually thought thought was gonna work. Completely cut off from The Foundry and SLU, did not accommodate MetroLink or MetroBus at all, and it's not like it's right off a major road.
The crazy part is that, despite the disfunction from the owners, it kind of did work. It was drawing crowds. No idea how long that would have lasted, but the Armory's failure shouldn't be flagged as a poor concept that predictably failed. It should be flagged as another example of Green Street being a mess.
Yea my point wasn't that it itself in a bubble was a failure, the failure was that it was just an $80M bar for suburbanites and they didn't seriously put effort into the rest of the grand plan.
