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Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

I'm happy to shut up here.
.
Just remember Auggie and all his insults and bullying you all to accept mediocre ity response is saying shut up you pigs and vote for four more years.

Think about that when you vote.

Peace out.

Just remember, if you're all worked up over something that's got STL Twitter all worked up, it's probably not a real life issue and it's just in your head.

Spencer's supported by the same people who backed Slay and kept him destroying this city for 16 years. Have fun with that.

 Here you go
You all can have at it:
Public Infrastructure and Utilities Committee Meeting
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/eventdetails.cfm?Event_ID=49307

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

 Here you go
You all can have at it:
Public Infrastructure and Utilities Committee Meeting
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/eventdetails.cfm?Event_ID=49307

I think the topics of this meeting should be (ranked in order of importance)

1) trash pickup
2) trash pickup
3) salt trucks
4) mail delivery

Can we make the road diet on FPP permanent?

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

 Here you go
You all can have at it:
Public Infrastructure and Utilities Committee Meeting
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/eventdetails.cfm?Event_ID=49307

thanks for sharing the link!

leeharveyawesome wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

chris fuller wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

 Here you go
You all can have at it:
Public Infrastructure and Utilities Committee Meeting
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/eventdetails.cfm?Event_ID=49307

I think the topics of this meeting should be (ranked in order of importance)

1) trash pickup
2) trash pickup
3) salt trucks
4) mail delivery

Mail delivery is the federal government not STL City

@Auggie we need your voice here: 

stlurbanist wrote: ↑

Jan 15, 2025

@Auggie we need your voice here: 

Why? I have no issue with the city. Why would I go to a b*tching session?

Thanks for posting this link. Bret Narayan is knocking it out of the park!

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

St. Louis city's plan for the roads: Salt, sun and a prayer

https://www.ksdk.com/article/weather/se ... 272963c89e

From the article:
Should the Streets Department have pretreated? 
Williams: "Salting in advance wouldn't have helped because of rain."
**Weather note: there was no rain with this system; it was sleet and snow in the City of St. Louis**

You're gonna be so shocked when you learn what sleet is

^You should have shown up at the meeting to say "you're doin a heckuva job Jonesy!"

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

St. Louis city's plan for the roads: Salt, sun and a prayer

https://www.ksdk.com/article/weather/se ... 272963c89e

From the article:
Should the Streets Department have pretreated? 
Williams: "Salting in advance wouldn't have helped because of rain."
**Weather note: there was no rain with this system; it was sleet and snow in the City of St. Louis**

I feel like that’s always the excuse. We can’t pretreat because of rain. Or we can’t pretreat if it doesn’t rain because the trucks will just blow the salt off the road.

Well maybe figure out something that works because this isn’t it.

Auggie wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

St. Louis city's plan for the roads: Salt, sun and a prayer

https://www.ksdk.com/article/weather/se ... 272963c89e

From the article:
Should the Streets Department have pretreated? 
Williams: "Salting in advance wouldn't have helped because of rain."
**Weather note: there was no rain with this system; it was sleet and snow in the City of St. Louis**

You're gonna be so shocked when you learn what sleet is

Maybe you're not that knowledgeable about precipitation types, and that's ok, but sleet is literally ice pellets. It is counted as snow in accumulation totals. There was never any rain in the forecast except the possibility or some light freezing rain. Which cray enough, is ice, which pretreating would have helped with. I made a mental note about the lack of pretreating by both MODOT and the City the day before the storm. Seems like they are straight up incompetent, or maybe worse, liars.

The amount and spread of complaints with this storm shows a clear failure on the part of leadership. Fair or not, there are going to be people remembering this when it comes time to vote. And it's not just because streets and sidewalks are a mess. The lack of trash pickup for 10 days is getting people really mad. I have seen many people saying as much on social media. Now maybe they weren't likely going to vote for Jones to start with, but this is the type of thing that seals the deal for people.

To add, there are a lot of major streets that don't have lanes cleared all over. That's maybe not a problem in and of itself as capacity is probably still fine, but it's just lanes dropping off here and there with no predictability. It's dangerous. For instance, Jefferson from 64 north at least still as of Noon yesterday had the right lane just disappear under mounds of snow on the overpass, and then off and on all the way to Natural Bridge. There is no excuse for that if crews really did their job as leadership is suggesting.

MattnSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

Auggie wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

St. Louis city's plan for the roads: Salt, sun and a prayer

https://www.ksdk.com/article/weather/se ... 272963c89e

From the article:
Should the Streets Department have pretreated? 
Williams: "Salting in advance wouldn't have helped because of rain."
**Weather note: there was no rain with this system; it was sleet and snow in the City of St. Louis**

You're gonna be so shocked when you learn what sleet is

Maybe you're not that knowledgeable about precipitation types, and that's ok, but sleet is literally ice pellets. It is counted as snow in accumulation totals. There was never any rain in the forecast except the possibility or some light freezing rain. Which cray enough, is ice, which pretreating would have helped with. I made a mental note about the lack of pretreating by both MODOT and the City the day before the storm. Seems like they are straight up incompetent, or maybe worse, liars.

The amount and spread of complaints with this storm shows a clear failure on the part of leadership. Fair or not, there are going to be people remembering this when it comes time to vote. And it's not just because streets and sidewalks are a mess. The lack of trash pickup for 10 days is getting people really mad. I have seen many people saying as much on social media. Now maybe they weren't likely going to vote for Jones to start with, but this is the type of thing that seals the deal for people.

To add, there are a lot of major streets that don't have lanes cleared all over. That's maybe not a problem in and of itself as capacity is probably still fine, but it's just lanes dropping off here and there with no predictability. It's dangerous. For instance, Jefferson from 64 north at least still as of Noon yesterday had the right lane just disappear under mounds of snow on the overpass, and then off and on all the way to Natural Bridge. There is no excuse for that if crews really did their job as leadership is suggesting.

You're also gonna be shocked when you learn what sleet is.

The idea of pretreating is that is allows the crews a head start, and it helps to prevent the initial precipitation from bonding to the pavement. At least that is the thought and goal. It will not solve all the problems of more than a light event. I don't even care if there is no pretreating. But to lie that they didn't want to put brine down because they thought it would rain and wash it away is just a bonkers choice.

I don't think you have any idea of what my background education and experience is just like I don't know anything about yours, but I suspect I am more educated and experienced in the vast majority of what is discussed on this forum than you are.

MattnSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

The idea of pretreating is that is allows the crews a head start, and it helps to prevent the initial precipitation from bonding to the pavement. At least that is the thought and goal. It will not solve all the problems of more than a light event. I don't even care if there is no pretreating. But to lie that they didn't want to put brine down because they thought it would rain and wash it away is just a bonkers choice.

I don't think you have any idea of what my background education and experience is just like I don't know anything about yours, but I suspect I am more educated and experienced in the vast majority of what is discussed on this forum than you are.

Considering you think putting down salt before 3 hours of sleet followed by an entire night of snow would have been a good use of resources for the city, I'm gonna go with you're probably pretty ***** dumb.

You consistently choose not to read. I explained the idea behind pretreatment, and then explicitly said I don't care if they actually do it or not. I only care that our leadership is either lying, or incompetent. Neither are good looks.

Also, one more personal attack to anyone and you are getting at the minimum a suspension. Are you 12? You certainly act like it.

MattnSTL wrote: ↑

Jan 16, 2025

You consistently choose not to read. I explained the idea behind pretreatment, and then explicitly said I don't care if they actually do it or not. I only care that our leadership is either lying, or incompetent. Neither are good looks.

Also, one more personal attack to anyone and you are getting at the minimum a suspension. Are you 12? You certainly act like it.

Making a personal attack while saying you're gonna suspend me for making personal attacks? Are you above the apparent rules and guidelines of this forum? According you you: Yes. All hail King Matt.

Came here to see if the "debate" was still raging;  you guys did not disappoint. 

Love to see it. Would have been way easier and beneficial a week ago.

Bus stop at a Metrolink station. Just pathetic.

The popcorn tastes great whilst reading this!

Thankfully they upped the temps in the forecast today and tomorrow and rain tomorrow evening which should help.

We still had a week and a half where small businesses were crippled.

Ir was going to be bad for a few days. It didn't need to be so bad for 11 of them.

People will remember this far more when they vote than the city's GDP raising a half percent more than it possibly might have if we didn't have this mayor. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a bubble or being obtuse.